MAC Divine Night Collection (October 17, 2013)

Spectacular

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Stop talking about the new system. If you come into the thread and realise that there is something new/different going on...please PM Richelle or Erine. By time y'all finished, everybody and they mama gonna know what's up.
Please and thank you, be smart ladies and try to make life easier for yourselves. Happy everything is working out for everybody, keep it up ladies and enjoy your lovely products semi-stress free
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As for MAC though...they playing games and its too rude. I do wonder if its not intentional and they're not trying to 'test' the waters so to speak to see what they get away with. Come on now...collections for years and just now it becomes a mystery on how to apply it to pros? Hmmm, okay then. I feel like MAC or Estee Lauder is trying to get as much money in a cash grab. Shame.

I get there are PRO's abusing the system...but again that's usually due to MAC's dumbass way of doing things. Punishing the whole isn't a way of solving a problem involving a few people.
 

StrongWoman

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I have been on Spectra a little before Archies Girl... and I am on here like 20 out of the 24hours in the day. I think this is my 10th post (I noticed folks counting) and this is by far the most civilized discussion/comments on here. Confusion brings about drama and disarray. I have watching ladies go back and forth about being veterans and newbies, which is discouraging for someone like me who loves makeup and will spend my last $16.24 on a MAC lipstick (not really) but I want to say thank you Liba for being so positive and full of class at all times.
I second that! Thanks, Liba, for talking all of us down so we all don't get Lord of the Flies on each other. These MES, MSFs, and MBs should be around as long as that snow globe collection. I guess this Thanksgiving, I should add thanks that EL didn't cannibalize MAC the way they did Stila. Poor, poor Stila.
 

LouGarner

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Shame on you MAC... I don't understand why in the email it states one thing and the website is not applying the discount. This collection is a total skip for me. Nothing special. I'll save my money for the next one.
nothing stands off to me in this collection
 

StrongWoman

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This made me laugh but what happened with Stila? I mean I know in general it took a huge hit in popularity but did EL make them change something major?
It was a great cosmetics line with innovative products and thoughtful limited edition collections until EL bought it and promptly ran it into the ground. Now the company has been sold a few times and the very cheap packaging makes me sad when I see it at Ulta. *tiny violin*
 

StrongWoman

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Funny how some of you asking about what's going on...not even a simple thank you when you were sent a PM. Smh.
Like that one chick said... She ain't got time to help people while she's gettin hers. Well, it was nice of YOU to help people out, even if they didn't how any appreciation. Everyone I PM'd replied right away with thanks. I think there is a full moon on Friday.
 

Wolverina

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As someone who has been buying MAC since 1999, I just don't get the drama over this stuff and I'm glad I don't. Part of the reason I am so into cosmetics is that it provides a welcome respite from working with neglected and abused children 12 hours a day. Whatever these invisible club rules are, I'll have to be satisfied with being clueless.
 

GoldenGirl

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I think they're trying but failing, personally, because I am seeing them try different things online, like the waiting room - it takes a lot of work behind the scenes to implement something like that and if they don't have the best web programers and stuff on it, yep…problems.

You would think a huge company like Estee Lauder would know how to handle this stuff, but wow, you'd be surprised at how backwards some companies are and EL is still owned and run by a family at the top. That gets very backwards and not modern. No wonder they're not handling all of this so well. They need to keep Customer Service waaaaay more informed too - SO MANY companies have no clue at how important that is until it jumps up and bites them on the butt. The supply issues are thorny too, because it seems like a simple logical thing to make much more stock and get much more money. It's trickier, though, when you have many companies under one umbrella, where the gains on one is supporting the losses of another. We can't exactly blame the original MAC founders, who really did need to sell their business when they did, as there was AIDS tragedy involved. Why is corporate culture so foolish and short sighted about the companies they buy? Ugh - no easy answer for that, but EL's been a bit better keeping the MAC product true to its origins in ways many corporate buy-outs don't even come close to - but those horror stories are not often in the beauty industry the way they are in some others, like publishing for example.

Anyways, I just felt like jumping in with a glass half full sort of comment - didn't mean to direct it at you specifically, but I liked your comment and felt it really summed up what a lot of people are feeling so it seemed like the best one to quote to reply from! I love these sorts of intellectual back and forths!
I totally get you.
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I do think EL needs to step it up as far as launches on the website are concerned and respond better to customer's inquiries... and those really awful condescending comments on their FB page when folks were upset about not getting what they wanted from the RiRi collection.
 

Spectacular

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It was a great cosmetics line with innovative products and thoughtful limited edition collections until EL bought it and promptly ran it into the ground. Now the company has been sold a few times and the very cheap packaging makes me sad when I see it at Ulta. *tiny violin*
Smh, that's so sad. I always think about that when I think of people who have inventions and companies and are approached by larger companies. Going public or selling you company to someone else provides no guarantee of respect for your company. I agree, I noticed the decline in Stila (it not having its own stand in Nordstrom anymore) but was too young to really pay attention to the details but now its kind of a clone of Urban Decay with less interesting products. That unique personality it had is gone.
 

bajandoc86

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As someone who has been buying MAC since 1999, I just don't get the drama over this stuff and I'm glad I don't. Part of the reason I am so into cosmetics is that it provides a welcome respite from working with neglected and abused children 12 hours a day. Whatever these invisible club rules are, I'll have to be satisfied with being clueless.
There are no 'club rules'. No one is trying to be exclusionary to Specktra members. This is FOR us.
 

allthingslove

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bottom line is MAC is like any other business (all about the money) its messed up but they really dont give a f about any of us...its the money. it's not shocking to me at all !
 

PixieDancer

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As someone who has been buying MAC since 1999, I just don't get the drama over this stuff and I'm glad I don't. Part of the reason I am so into cosmetics is that it provides a welcome respite from working with neglected and abused children 12 hours a day. Whatever these invisible club rules are, I'll have to be satisfied with being clueless.
PM'd you doll. Poor Richelle can't do it all.... there's too darn many of us here! heehee
 

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