2008 Presidential Candidates Comparison ( Side By side)... DOn't know what to think.

[rbella]

Quote:

Originally Posted by missworld Well you clearly value money over humanity.

In my OPINION, that is one of the most ridiculous statements made. You don't know her. To make such a judgment of character without really knowing her is totally unnecessary and unfair. And, an unwarranted personal attack. Just because she doesn't agree with your opinions, that doesn't not make her inhumane.

Quote:

Originally Posted by missworld Other countries manage a national health system are you saying that our country could not do as well or better than they do... Interesting.. missworld

Great point. Guess what? Those people are waiting in line for months just to be seen for an initial appointment for treatment. And guess what? Many of those people have conditions that are getting far worse waiting for that appointment. And, many DIE waiting in line for surgery. Sounds like a fantastic plan. Much better than the free hospital (Ben Taub) down the street from me where people are treated whether they have insurance or not. Much better than the regulations already set in place that state that emergency cases are to be seen no matter what, without regard to insurance coverage.

 

[elegant-one]

Ughh, I woke up so depressed over the fact that people cannot see what's coming down the road...then

I see rbella's avatar....

Is that your leg

 

[SparklingWaves]

That avatar is a riot. I love it.

 

[rbella]

Quote:

Originally Posted by elegant-one Ughh, I woke up so depressed over the fact that people cannot see what's coming down the road...then I see rbella's avatar.... Is that your leg

I will not lie. That is Mr. Rbella with his cup of coffee, admiring my leg...Isn't he a catch?

***For those of you who think I'm serious, it isn't***

 

[red]

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkylarV217 They also got double digit million dollar bonuses, i was so mad !

Not to speak on Lehman, that days before they filed for bankruptcy, they moved $2.5bn out of a London account, so they can pay out bonuses to about 200 people in the firm

and we have to bail them out?

 

[TISH1124]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbella I will not lie. That is Mr. Rbella with his cup of coffee, admiring my leg...Isn't he a catch? ***For those of you who think I'm serious, it isn't***

You know it's your hubby and your leg!!! You're not fooling us chickie!!

 

[Kayteuk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbella I will not lie. That is Mr. Rbella with his cup of coffee, admiring my leg...Isn't he a catch? ***For those of you who think I'm serious, it isn't***

That seriously made my day seeing that

I was checking out the polls this morning, and I am very happy with what I se at the moment.... Does anyone else use the BBC for the US election coverage in the US? Its pretty cracking stuff

 

[red]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy I know this is going to sound absurdly insensitive and rude, but the truth that nobody's saying is, do we want to sacrifice the decent health care that 84% of our country has so we can give 100% of our country crappy health care? I think we can come up with a better alternative for that without making the majority suffer.

Not insensitive at all, its the reality.
The collateral damages of capitalism is just this, 84% have decent health care and the rest fall by the wayside. I agree, with socialism, you get 100% of what the government can afford to give you, not necessarily the best health care.

 

[red]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayteuk That seriously made my day seeing that I was checking out the polls this morning, and I am very happy with what I se at the moment.... Does anyone else use the BBC for the US election coverage in the US? Its pretty cracking stuff

Same time in 2004, Kerry (the dem. nominee) was leading in the polls with about 40 electoral votes. Remember electoral votes win elections, Obama needs to still nail down Florida, Ohio, and some other states ...

 

[lizardprincesa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimmer Someone please enlighten me as to the point of this post.

The post to which Shimmer refers is this one, my words from last Night :

Originally Posted by lizardprincesa
I know you are an intelligent person. Why attempt a scathing response? Is it necessary? Don't we have enough negativity in this world? Surely a person with a user name like, "Stargazer," so pretty) can use his/her grace & intelligence to add a bit of positivity? Sarcasm is so negative....Yes, I know you're gonna call me judgemental. I'm obviously sarcastic sometimes, too....(But I wasn't trying to be so, above, when I started this post.)

"...Stealing is ok as long as someone less fortunate benefits..."
why not? (only kidding! )

please? lol i can't afford it....but makeup isn't that important...
my hubby says I look pretty without it. (but he's crazy

grrrrrrr.....

Be nice. It doesn't hurt. Then again, you are probably more personable face to face...I bet many of us are. (Me, I'm just as flakey in person as I am on Specktra, oh World within a World, Microcosm of the World Entire.)

I do not think the poster was trying to express the idea you express above; I believe she/he has written a metaphor of sorts....but you know that.

Pease, Ms Stargazer. Peace. xxCherfylFaithxx (too tired to spell her name correctly, or even to correct it.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimmer Someone please enlighten me as to the point of this post.

I will enlighten you as to my point, altho I think you already know it.

If my words make me appear weak in your eyes, I don't mind.

*Here is my point: Peace.*

CherylFaith
​

 

[missworld]

Quote:

Originally Posted by red At the end of the day, even if we were to institute a national health plan, or give tax credits, etc. there will still be a 2-tier system, where does that can afford a better more expensive insurance plan will have better care and access to better hospitals/doctors. We need to get to the root of the problem, not just place a bandaid on it.

Well at least we agree there is a problem.

Let's be clear, Barack Obama is NOT proposing a National Heath System.

HERE is what he is proposing.



I am probably a little to the left of Obama politically.

I feel it is an obscenity that people have to deal with for profit insurance companies when they are ill.
The first question you hear when you go to a medical facility is "what's your plan"...
We and our employers all pay for our medical care, and most insurance companies take a fat profit from that money.


missworld

 

[kimmy]

i'm going to ask once more for everyone to quit with the rude, personal attacks on fellow members.

 

[purrtykitty]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Why do you always have to be so mean and angry, purrtykitty? Maybe it's because I only meet up with you in controversial threads. Maybe when you talk about makeup, you're friendly and lovely. Here, however, I feel your negative vibes flying around....I wish I could say, "moving around like tumbleweed," but this negativity is more akin to a malignancy...as it can be so very contagious.

I'm not trying to be mean nor negative, however, my panties do get in a knot when my words are twisted around in order for someone to push their own opinionated agenda, all the while insulting me for my own personal opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by missworld Personal responsibility to help the insurance companies make a more obscene profit. How is it abdicating personal responsibility to have a society which cares for all of its members? I am not advocating giving slacker an easy life on welfare. I am saying the provision health care, like the provision of protection under the law is a basic human right in a modern civilization. Do you think some who is dying from cancer should have to worry about her insurance? missworld

Why is it so bad for companies to make profits? These insurance companies provide jobs for hundreds of thousands of Americans (I'm sure, although I don't know the exact statistics). If these companies aren't profitable, then all those employees are out of jobs and are then dependent on social services to make ends meet. How "personally responsible" would it be to eliminate profitiability? Not only that, they have a responsibility to shareholders to make a profit. I don't agree with "obscene" profits and I certainly don't agree with all those high dollar executive compensation packages, but I guarantee you and I have differing opinions regarding the value "obscenity."

And no, healthcare is not a basic human right. Show me where the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, says it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by missworld I agree that "slackers" should not enjoy an easy life at the expense of the rest of a hardworking society. But are you really saying that the 16% of Americans who are uninsured are all "slackers"! But lets take your worst case then: Someone is a "slacker" and they get cancer, are you saying they should not receive medical treatment? Essential sentenced to a painful death for being a "slacker"? missworld

Yes, let's just pick at my words again so that they fit that one instance. I'm sure cancer deaths for those that are insured are so much less painful.

I have never stated that those who are unable to help themselves (children, disabled, elderly) should be hung out to dry. But I will never think it's OK for someone, who is perfectly capable of being a contributing member of society, to just sit back and rake in benefits that hardworking taxpayers provide them. That is the definition of a "slacker." I have no idea what your definition is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy Flawed logic. Security and defense of the nation (whether via military or civilian means) is guaranteed- military via the Constitution and civilian via states' rights. Health care is not guaranteed, thus there is no guarantee for funding.

Ahhh yes, a Constitutional argument after my own heart!! Healthcare is a privilege, not a right. The government could very well choose to pull completely out of all healthcare. Gosh, then what would happen?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy I know this is going to sound absurdly insensitive and rude, but the truth that nobody's saying is, do we want to sacrifice the decent health care that 84% of our country has so we can give 100% of our country crappy health care? I think we can come up with a better alternative for that without making the majority suffer.

I could just give you a big wet kiss!

 

[missworld]

Quote:

Originally Posted by red Not insensitive at all, its the reality. The collateral damages of capitalism is just this, 84% have decent health care and the rest fall by the wayside. I agree, with socialism, you get 100% of what the government can afford to give you, not necessarily the best health care.

I think this is the root of the problem with this discussion, the "isms"...
Making sure every citizen has care in case of catastrophic illness, does not necessarily mean, providing them with free care of minor ailments.
I am only saying no-one should have to die, because they were not insured.

Let me give you an example of the current system's unfairness:

A colleague who recently started working at the company I work for, as a temporary employee,(and hence not eligible for benefits) had previously been eligible for Medicaid. At the same time she had also gotten married.
Now, her Medicaid was still in effect for a month after she was married so her husband's insurance company would not allow him to add her to his policy.
A month later, the insurance company said it was too late and he would have to wait until the next enrollment period in six months time!!!
So now she and her husband work but she has no insurance coverage through no fault of her own.

Both of these people are hard working young people, not scroungers or wasters. The system needs reform.
If private insurance is they way we provide our health care, the insurance companies should not be able to get away with this kind of behavior.



Missworld

 

[lizardprincesa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbella In my OPINION, that is one of the most ridiculous statements made. You don't know her.

Dear Mrs. rbella, from what I 'know" of from reading your posts,(the only way I can attempt to feel your vibes) ,I feel I "know" you are a generally kind & open-minded person...i realize you have tons of friends on here. but do you "know" them? missworld, or rbella, or lizardprincesa, or any one of us can *think* we "know' someone on here, but unless we have actually met the person, spent time with him/her.....how can we really "know' the person writing. But maybe you *do* know her....in whatever manner; I mean, maybe you know her besides meeting her here on Specktra.

Maybe I'm a man!

I am so naive. I am guilty of thinking I know people on here, & then I sometimes (not always) later feel betrayed. sigh... (not of condescension, but of sadness...)

....a few parts left out here (yes, probably quite important parts; sorry) as I am simply too tired to get into it...this Day has been more difficult than most....but each Day is a Miracle; to be Alive is nothing short of awesome....
​

Quote:

Great point. Guess what? Those people are waiting in line for months just to be seen for an initial appointment for treatment.

Which people? Where? You know I lived in England, & knew about it because I *think* I've told you a few personal things, other than what you've read of me in these threads.

Have you ever lived abroad, Danelle?

Quote:

And guess what? Many of those people have conditions that are getting far worse waiting for that appointment. And, many DIE waiting in line for surgery.

please give us details?

Thanks.

Peace!

CherylFaith, (who is only in the mood to give xxxxxs to Mr. Lizardprincesa, son of Lizardprincesa, & kitties who own the Lizardprincesa household.)
​

And yes, Mrs. rbella...your new avatar is adorable...

 

[missworld]

Quote:

Originally Posted by purrtykitty Why is it so bad for companies to make profits?

Its great for companies to make profit, I like money!
But profit form making things cars, make-up, movies, etc.
or services that are essentials to life.
Even insurance in it's place automotive, house hold and life.

But health care, no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by purrtykitty And no, healthcare is not a basic human right. Show me where the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, says it is.

You think so small.
The constitution is amendable, the constitution represents the will of the people.
Heath care is a basic human right, it's sad you can't or won't see that.
I mean a human right not just an American right or a first world right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by purrtykitty Yes, let's just pick at my words again so that they fit that one instance.

I don't need to twist your words, with the quote above you condemn yourself.


missworld

 

[lizardprincesa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmy i'm going to ask once more for everyone to quit with the rude, personal attacks on fellow members.

I so agree with you, kimmy.....but necessary change cannot be affected if people do not interact...discuss....
Personal attacks (of which I claim no innocence) are absolutely negative as can be...but Specktra is a microcosm of the World...I wonder how a group of people who can't see each other can discuss controversial issues, without
people becoming hurt and/or angry. ?

This type of discourse can scare away newcomers....yes.
" " " " " " " people who've been here awhile, too

This type of discourse can also Enlighten.

I do, however, agree it should be less personal. but the word, "personal," includes the word, "person." :shoulder shrug of "I don't know":

At least, we can't shoot at each other on here.

CherylFaith
​

 

[Shimmer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by missworld Its great for companies to make profit, I like money! But profit form making things cars, make-up, movies, etc. or services that are essentials to life. Even insurance in it's place automotive, house hold and life. But health care, no. You think so small. The constitution is amendable, the constitution represents the will of the people. Heath care is a basic human right, it's sad you can't or won't see that. I mean a human right not just an American right or a first world right. I don't need to twist your words, with the quote above you condemn yourself. missworld

Well, thank you for providing your view point and decreeing it fit for yourself and everyone else reading this thread, despite the fact that several people have expressed disagreement with what you're saying.

Health care is a knowledge provided service...Doctors, nurses, clinicians, technicians, etc. didn't wake up one day and walk onto the job. They are educated professionals who had to pay for that knowledge. Just by existing, I don't have a right to that knowledge. Yes, they're doing good for humanity, but at the same time, I don't have the right to simply demand it just because I have a beating heart.

I love love love the mindset "Oh! The Constitution, we can just amend it, no worries."
Fabulous.

 

[*Stargazer*]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimmer Well, thank you for providing your view point and decreeing it fit for yourself and everyone else reading this thread, despite the fact that several people have expressed disagreement with what you're saying. Health care is a knowledge provided service...Doctors, nurses, clinicians, technicians, etc. didn't wake up one day and walk onto the job. They are educated professionals who had to pay for that knowledge. Just by existing, I don't have a right to that knowledge. Yes, they're doing good for humanity, but at the same time, I don't have the right to simply demand it just because I have a beating heart. I love love love the mindset "Oh! The Constitution, we can just amend it, no worries." Fabulous.

I don't think we should let healthcare professionals make money off of their services. I think they should have to provide them to us for free.

 

[TISH1124]

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Stargazer* I don't think we should let healthcare professionals make money off of their services. I think they should have to provide them to us for free.

Really??? I certainly will never work for free..That is there job, not volunteer work...why would they do it for free? How do they pay their bills? Eat, feed their kids?
Maybe I misunderstood...