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Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Saleemah
When I say the the fight is not the issue at hand, I mean that I do not care about whether or not he or they go to jail; I am all for punishing hoodlums if they are guilty. My concern is the fairness of the justice system; that there is not a double standard and everyone is prosecuted and or punished Black or White. Know one condones what happened or can justify it, I do not care what the boy said. And hope that the offenders do go to jail. Talk about unfair though, one of the boys that said he did not participate in the fight was later, arrested after the boy that pulled the gun on him prior to the fight, said he was a participant. It's things like this that bother me.

And most Black people experience racism everyday, not once in a while when they enter a bad area. By the way, if I as a black woman entered any really bad neighborhood I would be afraid also, not because of their race but that is the way it is in bad neighborhoods. And why would you have a fear of being raped or murdered in a Black neighborhood? That's that underlined racism. Of course you should have a fear of being robbed if you are in ANY poor neighborhood' do you think that criminals discriminate when it is time to rob someone? There is always going to be a high crime rate in any poor neighborhood; believe it or not poor white neighborhoods to. Blacks are not naturally dangerous.


I didn't say they were, but if, in walking into a convenience store to get gas, I'm glared at and called audibly a white bread bitch, and ignored until I absolutely MUST be acknowledged, as well as intentionally jostled, bumped, and knocked into, that's not accidental, and it's not motivated simply because someone's in a bad mood, it's because I'm white and am in the wrong gas station. It's happened before, yes.
Poor white neighborhoods really aren't any better, because there I'm the uppity rich bitch, but that's not racially motivated, that's economically motivated. Either way, both viewpoints are wrong.

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I still can't get over the fact that you would be raped or killed if you entered a black neighborhood. And not all black neighborhoods are crime ridden, just in case you did not know that. I grew up and a very poor ghetto and white people were not harassed if they entered. If you go into a black neighborhood thinking you are going to get raped or murdered, you have some serious issues. It is laughable that people still feel that way, many people.

It's not laughable that it happens though.
It's not laughable that my children are picked on on their walk home from school by a gang of black girls who call them names and throw rocks at them, etc. to the point I have to send my 14 year old to pick them up to make sure they make it home safely, and I live in a freaking suburb of a fairly decent town in one of the most coveted zip codes in North Central Texas.
None of that is laughable.
 

kimmy

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Originally Posted by Saleemah
And most Black people experience racism everyday, not once in a while when they enter a bad area. By the way, if I as a black woman entered any really bad neighborhood I would be afraid also, not because of their race but that is the way it is in bad neighborhoods. And why would you have a fear of being raped or murdered in a Black neighborhood? That's that underlined racism. Of course you should have a fear of being robbed if you are in ANY poor neighborhood' do you think that criminals discriminate when it is time to rob someone? There is always going to be a high crime rate in any poor neighborhood; believe it or not poor white neighborhoods to. Blacks are not naturally dangerous.

I still can't get over the fact that you would be raped or killed if you entered a black neighborhood. And not all black neighborhoods are crime ridden, just in case you did not know that. I grew up and a very poor ghetto and white people were not harassed if they entered. If you go into a black neighborhood thinking you are going to get raped or murdered, you have some serious issues. It is laughable that people still feel that way, many people.


i don't think anyone here feels that way...or if they do, they haven't openly expressed it on these boards.

i experience racism daily, as well. and sometimes not even in the poorer neighbourhoods.
 

j_absinthe

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Originally Posted by xolovinyoo
i didnt mean the white & black thing happens over here alot, i mean getting beat up for talking shit is what happens alot over here. Mostly the people that get made fun of over here are the whites because theres barely any white people in my area. & yeah it isnt right, but alot of things arent right and people still do it. Ill handle my buisness, i dont care if its immature or the stupid thing to do, Its our choices.

Why be a part of something or condone something that's not right though? I don't necessarily mean "you" per se, but when does sitting back and eating bullshit become a gourmet feast?
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Saleemah
It is illegal to hang a noose, it is called inciting a riot, 3 people were charged last week in Alexandria, LA. And so is burning a cross, you see when crosses are burned, they are burned on the lawn of a black church and not on someone's one property.

In Virginia v. Black (2003), the United States Supreme Court ruled that burning a cross at a Klan rally is protected by the First Amendment, but also held that a statute could constitutionally proscribe cross burning carried out with the intent to intimidate the target of the speech.

And, it's perfectly legal right now to go put a noose in my front yard. I wouldn't do that, but I could, should I choose to.
 

Saleemah

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
There's this really cool place called reality, and we allll live in it, whether we like it or not.
"Talking shit"...using WORDS is comparable and worthy of a 'beat down'?

"It happens all the time"

Using that argument, it's fair to say that if it happens all the time that a white man calls a black man a N-----, then the black man needs to deal with it because it happens all the time and it's okay, same goes for a black man stepping on my yard, as long as he's not KILLED it's okay to whup the shit out of him because I'm a white lady and he's on my yard.

If that were common place (and it once was), by your 'argument' they should just learn to deal with the name calling and don't step in my fucking yard, right?


Growing up I thought that way, but violence is never the answer; you just stoop to their ignorance. I knew a lot of people that are now dead because they thought they could settle a problem with violence.
 

Bootyliciousx

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Originally Posted by MACa6325xi
Race shouldn't matter, if six White kids beat up a Black kid and it happened in
high school, they should be charged in the juvenile court system. It should be equal punishment. If a Black student hung a noose that student should be suspened or expelled. The school should have done a better job of handling the tree incident before if got out of hand. Should there be a Black tree and White Tree? The problem is that people are so ignorant and think that all Black people want is for the Black kids to be set free with no punishment at all. That's not what it's about. The punishment that the Black kids received was unfair and unjust. This is why the Justice Department, ACLU, and other legal and civil rights groups are looking into this case.


I agree. Those racial instances should have been addressed by the school because that is unacceptable.
 

Saleemah

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
In Virginia v. Black (2003), the United States Supreme Court ruled that burning a cross at a Klan rally is protected by the First Amendment, but also held that a statute could constitutionally proscribe cross burning carried out with the intent to intimidate the target of the speech.

You can do whatever you want on your property. A church is private property, you can not go and burn a cross on someone else's property. What ever someone cares to do on their own property is their own business. Outside of Klan meetings Black churches and sometimes synagogues are usually the real estate of choice.
 

Indigowaters

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I know I said I was gone, but why aren't they in jail?
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Originally Posted by QTAllStarGurl
The next day white students beat up a black student at a party(Nov 31)
 

Saleemah

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Originally Posted by kimmy
i don't think anyone here feels that way...or if they do, they haven't openly expressed it on these boards.

i experience racism daily, as well. and sometimes not even in the poorer neighbourhoods.


This country is a mess however, it is still the best country to be.
 

Saleemah

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters
I know I said I was gone, but why aren't they in jail?
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You know why.
 

QTAllStarGurl

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters
I know I said I was gone, but why aren't they in jail?
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my point exactly...they handled it differently when it was a black student who was beaten up...i just thought i would post that to inform ppl...lol thanx 4 noticing my comment
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Shimmer

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Originally Posted by QTAllStarGurl
These are the events that led up to Justin Barker being beat up.its all in the video..i previously posted the link
Sept 06- Nooses hung on tree


According to early reports, black students typically sat on bleachers near the auditorium, while white students sat under a large tree, referred to as the "white tree" or "prep tree", in the center of the school courtyard. However, according to some teachers and administrators at the school, the tree in question wasn't a "white tree", and students of all races sat under it at one time or another.

A school assembly was held on August 31, 2006. According to media reports, a black male freshman student asked the principal whether he could sit under the "white tree". According to U.S. Attorney Donald Washington, the principal stated that the question was posed in a "jocular fashion". The principal told the students they could "sit wherever they wanted."

The following morning, nooses were discovered hanging from the tree. Reports differ whether there were three — believed by some to be code for the Ku Klux Klan — or two. A black teacher described seeing both white and black students "playing with [the nooses], pulling on them, jump-swinging from them, and putting their heads through them." According to The Jena Times, the nooses were removed by 7:15 a.m. after school officials were informed.
U.S. Attorney Donald Washington stated, the FBI agents who investigated the incident and the federal officials who examined it found that the hanging of the nooses "had all the markings of a hate crime." However, it could not be prosecuted as such because it failed to meet federal standards required for the teens to be certified as adults. District Attorney Walters stated that Washington had found no federal statute under which the teens could be prosecuted, just as he had found no applicable state statute."
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Nov 30, 2006- Fire set in school

While arson was determined to be the cause, the arsonists have never been identified.
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The next day white students beat up a black student at a party(Nov 31)

Five black youths, including 16-year-old Robert Bailey, Jr., attempted to enter the party at about 11 p.m. According to U.S. Attorney Washington, they were told by a woman that no one was allowed inside without an invitation. The five youths persisted, stating that some friends were already in attendance at the party. A white man, who was not a student, then jumped in front of the woman and a fight ensued. After the fight broke up, the woman told both the white man and five black youths to leave the party. Once outside, the black students were involved in another fight with a group of white men, who were not students.
Police were called to investigate. Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with simple battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation.
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Dec 2- White man pulls a gun on 3 black students in a gas station but the students take the gun from him before shots were fired the white guy wasn't changed but the 3 black students were arrested for theft of a firearm.

n Saturday, December 2, 2006, another incident involving Bailey occurred at a local convenience store. A white student who had attended the Fair Barn party encountered Bailey and several friends. Reports from the involved parties are conflicting, but indicate that an argument occurred, the white student produced a shotgun from his pickup truck, and that the gun was ultimately taken from him by Bailey and his friends. Local police reported that the accounts of the white student and black students contradicted each other and formed a report based on testimony taken from eyewitnesses. The white student claimed that Bailey and his friends shouted and ran after him, that he ran to get his gun, and that the students wrestled it away from him. According to the black students, as they left the convenience store, they were confronted by the white student with a shotgun. They stated they wrestled the gun away from him and fled the scene. After hearing from an uninvolved witness of unspecified race, the police charged Bailey and two others with three counts: theft of a firearm, second-degree robbery, and disturbing the peace. The white student who produced the weapon was not charged.
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Dec 4, 2006- Jena 6 beat up Justin after making racist comments to the black kid who was beaten up on Nov 31

On December 4, 2006, 17-year-old Justin Barker, a white Jena High School student, was assaulted at school. He was struck on the back of the head and knocked down by a black student. According to some witnesses, a group of black students then repeatedly kicked him.

Some individuals have stated that Barker had mocked Robert Bailey, Jr., who had allegedly been beaten up by a white man the previous Friday. Barker denies that.

Schools superintendent Ray Bleithaupt stated that the attack was no ordinary schoolyard fight. "It was a premeditated ambush and attack by six students against one," Bleithaupt said. "The victim attacked was beaten and kicked into a state of bloody unconsciousness."

According to relatives of the accused, the six defendants have all been expelled from school. [[[[This is not uncommon, many schools are 'zero tolerance' for fighting.]]]]
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Then the 16 yr old Mychal Bell was sentenced to 22 years in prison (He remained in jail for 10 months until he was released on Thursday)
So i think some of you should know the facts before you say this shouldn't have been a racial issue

On June 26, 2007, the first day of trial for defendant Mychal Bell, Walters agreed to reduce the charges for Bell to aggravated second-degree battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated second-degree battery. A charge of aggravated battery requires the use of a "deadly weapon". Walters therefore argued that the tennis shoes that Bell was wearing and used to kick Barker with were deadly weapons, an argument with which the jury ultimately agreed. Witness accounts conflicted over his role, if any, in the attack. Public defender Blane Williams, himself a black man, had urged Bell to accept a plea bargain, did not challenge the composition of the jury pool, and rested the defense case without calling any witnesses.

There was a six-member all-white jury, although blacks were included in the jury selection process. The 150-person jury call included black citizens, who make up ten percent of the parish's population, but none of the 50 potential jurors who showed up were black. One of the seated jurors was a high school friend of the victim's father. The jury found Bell guilty, and he faced the possibility of up to 22 years in prison. The judge scheduled sentencing for September 20, 2007.

Following the trial, Bell's new defense attorneys, Louis Scott and Carol Powell-Lexing, requested a new trial on the grounds that Bell should not have been tried as an adult and that the trial should have been held in another parish. A request to lower Mychal Bell's $90,000 bond was denied on August 24, 2007, due to his juvenile record. Bell had been put on probation for a battery that occurred December 25, 2005, and he was subsequently convicted of another battery charge and two charges of criminal damage to property while still on probation. Sources told ESPN that one of the battery charges was for punching a 17-year-old girl in the face, although details of the conviction might be protected under the Louisiana Children's Code.

On September 4, 2007, a judge dismissed the conspiracy charge on the grounds that he should have been tried as a juvenile, but let the battery conviction stand. However, on September 14, 2007, Louisiana's Third Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Bell's battery conviction, also ruling that he shouldn't have been tried as an adult. Louis Scott, Bell's attorney, has indicated that the ruling dismissed the charges for now, but that the prosecutor could appeal or refile the charges.

Following an order by the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeal, a hearing was held on September 21, 2007, to determine whether to set bond for Bell. The judge in the hearing denied the request for Bell to be freed while his appeal is being reviewed. A motion by Bell's attorneys to have Judge J.P. Mauffrey recused was also denied.

On September 26, 2007, Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco announced that the prosecution would not appeal the appellate ruling, but would try Bell as a juvenile. An announcement by District Attorney Walters was to follow on the 27th. The district attorney in fact did so announce on the 27th, and Bell was then released on $45,000 bond.

Bell was bonded out once $5,400 was paid to Cut-Rate Bail Bonding by Dr. Stephen Ayers of Lake Charles, Louisiana.. Bell is subject to electronic monitoring and is under the supervision of a probation officer.



None of these kids were angels.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Saleemah
You can do whatever you want on your property. A church is private property, you can not go and burn a cross on someone else's property. What ever someone cares to do on their own property is their own business. Outside of Klan meetings Black churches and sometimes synagogues are usually the real estate of choice.

You just said it's illegal to do it.
It's a protected act under the Constitution.

Vandalism and arson are illegal acts, which is what it would be were they to be committed on the property another person owns.


What's all this about 'black' churches?
 

Saleemah

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Originally Posted by QTAllStarGurl
my point exactly...they handled it differently when it was a black student who was beaten up...i just thought i would post that to inform ppl...lol thanx 4 noticing my comment
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He was actually beat upside the head with a bottle.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by QTAllStarGurl
my point exactly...they handled it differently when it was a black student who was beaten up...i just thought i would post that to inform ppl...lol thanx 4 noticing my comment
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Because the black kids weren't in a fight with a student, and because they could have been, since they were told they were unwelcome, considered to be trespassing.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Saleemah
He was actually beat upside the head with a bottle.

There's no record or evidence to prove that. He never sought medical attention, so there's no way of saying he was or wasn't.
 

Saleemah

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
You just said it's illegal to do it.
It's a protected act under the Constitution.

Vandalism and arson are illegal acts, which is what it would be were they to be committed on the property another person owns.


What's all this about 'black' churches?


Crosses were usually burned on on the lawns of churches and synagogues, it still happens occasionally.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Saleemah
Crosses were usually burned on on the lawns of churches and synagogues, it still happens occasionally.

It doesn't matter if they usually were, the act itself is not illegal.
Committing the act while vandalizing the property of someone else is what makes it illegal.
If the KKK has a rally in Greenville TX and rents out the fairgrounds there and starts a circle of burning crosses, as long as they have permission from Hunt County TX, it's not illegal.
That's the difference.
 

Indigowaters

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Black churches were established before segregation because blacks weren't allowed to worship with whites so they got together in their own meeting places and held church. They also established a different way to worship in song and dance and that's why they continue to be called black churches. I go to a church that is predominately black but we have all races attend and don't market ourselves as a BLACK church. We are all people who worship under the same roof. We even have services en espanol (at one time we had our regular black pastor and hispanic pastor preaching at the same time in both English and Spanish, but it took twice as long to have services, so they we have a service where people can sing the same songs and worship en espanol). And yes, I have attended the service that was in Spanish before. Quote:
Originally Posted by Shimmer
What's all this about 'black' churches?
 

Indigowaters

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It does matter if it happens on someone else's property without their permission (churches, school grounds, etc.). That would be considered trespassing.
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Originally Posted by Shimmer
It doesn't matter if they usually were, the act itself is not illegal.
Committing the act while vandalizing the property of someone else is what makes it illegal.
If the KKK has a rally in Greenville TX and rents out the fairgrounds there and starts a circle of burning crosses, as long as they have permission from Hunt County TX, it's not illegal.
That's the difference.

 
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