Jena 6

[Saleemah]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer There's no record or evidence to prove that. He never sought medical attention, so there's no way of saying he was or wasn't.

Not in the news, I actually saw first hand accounts. I am pretty sure you won't find it in the police report. I guess you have no objection to that part though. Where is the outrage? Fighting is wrong no matter who does it. Almost everyone seems to think that Blacks want the boys to be exonerated, not the case. Just equal justice, if you are fair across the board there is no room for people to question impartiality.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters Black churches were established before segregation because blacks weren't allowed to worship with whites so they got together in their own meeting places and held church. They also established a different way to worship in song and dance and that's why they continue to be called black churches. I go to a church that is predominately black but we have all races attend and don't market ourselves as a BLACK church. We are all people who worship under the same roof. We even have services en espanol (at one time we had our regular black pastor and hispanic pastor preaching at the same time in both English and Spanish, but it took twice as long to have services, so they we have a service where people can sing the same songs and worship en espanol). And yes, I have attended the service that was in Spanish before.

Good grief.


I'm so glad I didn't grow up with any of that nonsense.

Granted, I grew up around only white people but that's because there were no black people around me...for like a 45 mile radius. I grew up around ranchers and farmers, etc. ALL my impressions of anyone of another race have been gained in my adult post military enlistment life.

People are people where I'm from, regardless of melanin content.

 

[j_absinthe]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer None of these kids were angels.

Thank you!

People are so hung up on choosing sides, when the truth of the matter is, both sides of the fence are pretty crappy places to be on.

 

[Bootyliciousx]

I do not get how for beating a kid, which was wrong, they can be sentenced to 22 years in prison. How is this attempted murder? The people who are in charge of the school should be fired. How could they have ignored all those instances? This is unacceptable on there parts and should not be allowed to work around children.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters It does matter if it happens on someone else's property without their permission (churches, school grounds, etc.). That would be considered trespassing.

Indeed it would, but that wasn't the question. She said that cross burning and noose hanging were illegal acts, and I said they aren't, provided they are within certain bounds.
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Originally Posted by Saleemah Not in the news, I actually saw first hand accounts. I pretty sure you won't find it in the police report. I guess you know objection to the part though. Where is the outrage? Fighting wrong no matter who does it. Almost everyone seems to think that Blacks want the boys to be exonerated, not the case. Just equal justice, if you are fair across the board there is no room for people to question impartiality.

The police acknowledge that he says he was hit with a bottle, but they have nothing to base that statement on because there was no evidence, by anything I've found thus far.

 

[Saleemah]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer It doesn't matter if they usually were, the act itself is not illegal. Committing the act while vandalizing the property of someone else is what makes it illegal. If the KKK has a rally in Greenville TX and rents out the fairgrounds there and starts a circle of burning crosses, as long as they have permission from Hunt County TX, it's not illegal. That's the difference.

Burning of a cross is associated with burning crosses in front of churches. Whatever the KKK does on their own property is their business. It's in the history books.

 

[Bootyliciousx]

All the kids who were involved in these racial instances and the beating should all be punished accordingly. Every single one of them. Including the people who are in charge of the school.

 

[Shimmer]

Using that argument, I could fairly say that white women walking in black neighborhoods should have a police escort, otherwise they'll be harassed and possibly raped, it's on record that it happens.
That's a preposterous and ridiculous statement.
Like I said, provided they're within certain bounds, it's not illegal to do either.
And, it's not illegal to be racist, it's illegal to discriminate based on race.

 

[Indigowaters]

You had a choice. It wasn't a choice for blacks to not be able to drink water from fountains, worship in the same church or go into certain stores because of their skin color. That's nonsense. And yes, Thank God we don't go through that anymore, but I'm not going to pretend there wasn't a place in history that established these things. Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimmer Good grief. I'm so glad I didn't grow up with any of that nonsense. Granted, I grew up around only white people but that's because there were no black people around me...for like a 45 mile radius. I grew up around ranchers and farmers, etc. ALL my impressions of anyone of another race have been gained in my adult post military enlistment life. People are people where I'm from, regardless of melanin content.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Bootyliciousx I do not get how for beating a kid, which was wrong, they can be sentenced to 22 years in prison. How is this attempted murder? The people who are in charge of the school should be fired. How could they have ignored all those instances? This is unacceptable on there parts and should not be allowed to work around children.

How is pinning a woman to a wall and jerking her panties off while holding her throat and forcibly kissing her deserving of being called attempted rape? It's not like the act was completed.

That's the same argument. Can it be called attempted rape? We don't know for sure what the attacker was attempting to do. And, hey, she may have been leading him on with her short skirt and cleavage showing top, if she was, didn't she ask for it?

 

[Saleemah]

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Originally Posted by j_absinthe Thank you! People are so hung up on choosing sides, when the truth of the matter is, both sides of the fence are pretty crappy places to be on.

True, everyone is wrong.

 

[CantAffordMAC]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Five black youths, including 16-year-old Robert Bailey, Jr., attempted to enter the party at about 11 p.m. According to U.S. Attorney Washington, they were told by a woman that no one was allowed inside without an invitation. The five youths persisted, stating that some friends were already in attendance at the party. A white man, who was not a student, then jumped in front of the woman and a fight ensued. After the fight broke up, the woman told both the white man and five black youths to leave the party. Once outside, the black students were involved in another fight with a group of white men, who were not students. Police were called to investigate. Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with simple battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation.

What does it matter if the white men at the party were students or not? And if they were grown men (I guess 18+, even though they could be considered an adult at 17 years of age) ...Well shouldn't those white men be in trouble for fighting black teens? I understand that they shouldn't have tried to enter the party. They were wrong for that as well (I guess...I'm not sure what really happened). But that doesn't give these white men the right to start a fight with them, does it?

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters You had a choice. It wasn't a choice for blacks to not be able to drink water from fountains, worship in the same church or go into certain stores because of their skin color. That's nonsense. And yes, Thank God we don't go through that anymore, but I'm not going to pretend there wasn't a place in history that established these things.

On that argument, it's fair for me to be bitter because as poorly as blacks were treated, at least during the slave times they were housed (poorly), fed (poorly), and clothed (also poorly).
My ancestors didn't even get that. They got to walk 1200 miles through God only knows what conditions while being beaten by U.S. soldiers on horses. They had no choice, either, but I'm not hanging on to that. They were completely relocated and left their lives, everything they owned, behind while being forcibly moved half way across the country. Their own people sold them out, just as African tribes sold each other out to the white tradesman.

Indian reservations are STILL to this day poverty stricken and uneducated, arguably, I could be as indignant as anyone else.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by CantAffordMAC What does it matter if the white men at the party were students or not? And if they were grown men (I guess 18+, even though they could be considered an adult at 17 years of age) ...Well shouldn't those white men be in trouble for fighting black teens? I understand that they shouldn't have tried to enter the party. They were wrong for that as well (I guess...I'm not sure what really happened). But that doesn't give these white men the right to start a fight with them, does it?

Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with simple battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation.

 

[Indigowaters]

*sigh*. Goodnight.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters *sigh*. Goodnight.

Indeed.

 

[CantAffordMAC]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with simple battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation.

He was charged with simple battery and put on probation. But they were charged with attempted murder and possibly given 20+ years in prison? That just doesn't seem fair.

BTW, I have a lot of Native American in me too.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by CantAffordMAC He was charged with simple battery and put on probation. But they were charged with attempted murder and possibly given 20+ years in prison? That just doesn't seem fair. BTW, I have a lot of Native American in me too.

because there's a difference between getting into a fight with someone and ganging up 6 to 1 and kicking the shit out of someone? I guess?

 

[CantAffordMAC]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Once outside, the black students were involved in another fight with a group of white men, who were not students.

One white man jumped in front of the woman and a fight followed, and then once the white male and the black students were outside, another fight occurred with the group of black students and a group of white men.

Theres also a difference between 1 white guy fighting 1 black guy (which seemed to be the case) until they were all kicked outside, and it seems like from there on out, the fight was between a group of white males and a group of black males. Not a white guy fighting a black guy, and not 6 black guys fighting one white guy.

 

[Saleemah]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer On that argument, it's fair for me to be bitter because as poorly as blacks were treated, at least during the slave times they were housed (poorly), fed (poorly), and clothed (also poorly). My ancestors didn't even get that. They got to walk 1200 miles through God only knows what conditions while being beaten by U.S. soldiers on horses. They had no choice, either, but I'm not hanging on to that. They were completely relocated and left their lives, everything they owned, behind while being forcibly moved half way across the country. Their own people sold them out, just as African tribes sold each other out to the white tradesman. Indian reservations are STILL to this day poverty stricken and uneducated, arguably, I could be as indignant as anyone else.

Most black people are not bitter they are still facing the affects of slavery and discrimination every time they walk out of the door. I know that I am Black every time I walk outside my door, not because I think about it but because I remember when I am ignored or not waited on or when someone crosses the street or when everyone leaves the bench on the train when I sit down.

Native Americans were brutalized and continue to suffer. It is not a matter of one pain being worst than the other. Everyone should be outraged when someone are not treated equally, color should not matter. I am outraged when anyone is treated unfairly. Someone one once said (don't have the energy to look it up) Bad things happen when good people do nothing (something like that).

As far as the rape thing go the statistic are the same regarding women being raped by the opposite race:

4.2% of both victims and the population are of other races, according to the 2000 National Crime Victimization Study

Can can happen to any women, it only becomes news when the victim is white and the perpetrator is black. Black men are portrayed as violent in the media all the time any many people believe it as if a whole race of people could be naturally violent. What is sad is that everyone believes it. Any woman can be raped walking alone in a strange neighborhood. Most victims and perpetrators are of the same race.