Lying to get a PRO card

[ExquisiteImages]

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Originally Posted by NicksWifey As much as I would love to snitch on her, I don't think I could, as I'm the type of person who would rather let karma get the person back. I have read the application on the internet a few times and even printed it out so I could be familiar with it. I don't know if they even checked out her so called references or what, but she said she got the email of approval. She was like "I had to do it, you know, I could really use the discount." We all could, bitch! And to top it off, what I think is funny is I don't think you can use it online and our nearest MAC store is about an hour away and she does all of her ordering online haha. But I think you can use it by calling the PRO #.

Members who have the pro card can create an account to place online orders using the discount.

 

[sherox]

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Originally Posted by Brittni Without involving my personal opinion of whether or not I feel you should report her, I'll say this much: On the MAC PRO application it specifically says: "ALL IDENTIFICATION WILL BE DESTROYED AFTER PROCESSING, AND WILL NOT BE RETURNED TO YOU." So theoretically, if this is true, then they will have no way to look back on what you claim to be fake information; therefore, I don't think anything will be done about it -- Unless they require her to re-send information.

That's really disappointing that she would do something like that I"m pretty sure EVERY specktra member who doesn't have a PRO card would absolutely love to have one! It's so unfair but that does suck if they really did destroy the IDs then you have no proof! I believe in Karma too, and even if it takes a while, karma is a biiig biatch!

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Originally Posted by meanjeanster WTF why did she do that? if she's spending hundreds of dollars of makeup at a time then she can obviously afford it! She doesn't deserve a PRO card. PRO cards are for PROS because they need A LOT of makeup to WORK and get their JOBS done hence they need to save when they can because they need to buy a lot more. Bleh, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth because she's cheating a good company who already have decently priced products and it's going to end up making REAL PROS have an even more difficult time getting makeup. I personally wouldn't be shocked if MAC irradicated the PRO program all together or made it really really really hard to get a pro card. I wouldn't blame them if they did. Most cosmetics companies DON'T have a program like that. It's a PRIVILEGE not a right. I'd say report her but...I kinda think maybe she should get caught on her own and if she doesn't get caught, Karma will get her...If you report her, it might be just one of many other similar complaints that makes MAC decide to shut down the whole program completely. idk?

MAC probably already knows about stuff like this. If a lot of people did this, it would be obvious the program is being abused.

 

[florabundance]

I'm glad this was issue was brought up. My hairstylist and her co-workers all signed up for the MAC Pro card, because they clearly fit the criteria. They were each granted one. However, the discounted products they purchase are entirely for personal use, not "Pro" use. My question is, why should hairstylists be granted this privelege when none of the products are in keeping with their profession. The other criterias (model, aesthetician, MUA, etc) I can understand, but to me, it's the same as being say a housewife...the discount benefits only yourself, not your profession???

 

[NicksWifey]

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Originally Posted by florabundance I'm glad this was issue was brought up. My hairstylist and her co-workers all signed up for the MAC Pro card, because they clearly fit the criteria. They were each granted one. However, the discounted products they purchase are entirely for personal use, not "Pro" use. My question is, why should hairstylists be granted this privelege when none of the products are in keeping with their profession. The other criterias (model, aesthetician, MUA, etc) I can understand, but to me, it's the same as being say a housewife...the discount benefits only yourself, not your profession???

I see what you mean.
I didn't realize until one of my fellow Specktraettes pointed out that people get PRO cards to help them build their collections and get all the products they need. I was sorta blind to that! But I think individuals who are in the industry and doing the work totally deserve the benefits of the PRO card, because it would be hard to get a collection started without having any perks or discounts. At least I know it would with my broke ass!

It's sad that there are so many people that abuse the system. At least these hairstylists are actually part of the cosmetic/hair industry and are working, but I see your point.

 

[glam8babe]

yeh ive never understood why people who do hair can get the pro card :S my bfs sister owns a salon, and his other sister is a hairdresser, they don't even wear much makeup themseleves never mind using it in the clients hair

 

[gigglegirl]

yeah true, good point. I wonder if the thought behind it is that if these people are doing hair, they may also do makeup? depending on where you are, you don't need to be licensed to just put makeup on someone. but yea that would kinda piss me off too, because although you are in the aesthetics industry, if you aren't using the MAC products on your clients, then I don't see the point of the discount.

I've been reading this whole thread and my gut instinct is to pull the trigger and report her. you know what, maybe mac does need to get stricter about who they give these out to, what credentials they need. if you are a legitimate person using makeup as part of your business, you should get the card.

Like SMMY said, I think theft/fraud DOES affect us all, mostly indirectly. Prices keep getting jacked up, its not like prices will fall for us regular consumers, so this biotch shouldn't get a reduced price just because she freaking lied. Yeah karma can bite her for all the rest she's done, but I do not see any problem with telling MAC--its a company I love and respect and don't want to see be taken advantage of.

 

[exoticarbcqen]

I think MAC needs to put into place harder requirements for the PRO card. I KNOW several girls who go to kinkos, make up cards, and have random people write them recommendations. I think its pathetic and sickning. All for makeup? seriously, give me a break. I can only hope that the makeup turns their face green. I think the PRO card should be given to those people DIRECTLY in the profession and use makeup on a day to day basis. Hair stylist really have no reason to get the pro card and neither do editors of magazines etc.

I think you SHOULD DEFINITELY rat her ass out. I would in a heart beat. In the end, its scammers like her who cause price inflation and that effects US ALL.

I could apply for a pro card since I do bridal makeup for middle eastern/afgan/paki/indian girls BUT I AM NOT GOING TO APPLY since I do it free lance and do not have a cosmotolgy license and have no desire to get one. MAC isnt that expensive to begin with and I dont plan on amassing huge amounts of makeup, afterall it does expire and I cant wear 583904580934 eyeshadows at once.

I think you NEED to call the company about her. Their was a girl on specktra that TRYED to scam me out of almost $200 and I tracked her down, called her job [she worked at sephora], got her fired, called the cops on her, told her friends what a scammer she was and eventually she got scared and refunded me my money. Alot of other members sent me PMs about her and their experiences about her. I think it takes one person, with balls, to put an end to fraud and although, my said experience was a bit different, your friend is still scamming not only the company but ALL OF US.

 

[clslvr6spd]

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Originally Posted by florabundance I'm glad this was issue was brought up. My hairstylist and her co-workers all signed up for the MAC Pro card, because they clearly fit the criteria. They were each granted one. However, the discounted products they purchase are entirely for personal use, not "Pro" use. My question is, why should hairstylists be granted this privelege when none of the products are in keeping with their profession. The other criterias (model, aesthetician, MUA, etc) I can understand, but to me, it's the same as being say a housewife...the discount benefits only yourself, not your profession???

I am a cosmetology student going into the biz for hair & makeup. You wouldn't now believe how many hairdressers do MU for clients, it's good money. (at least around here.) So, I am very happy that MAC includes hairdressers & up & coming hairdressers as well.
At my school we have a huge makeup course, which I am grateful for! I am glad that I will be able to do awesome hair and makeup leaving my school, More $$ for me in my pocket.

Sorry, back on topic!
I think karma will get her, but it does need to be helped along sometimes! This just proves to me more & more that people can be pieces of shit!

 

[Lip_gloss_whore]

This Happens ALL THE TIME..... Most people with MAC Pro Cards aren't actual "PROS"..... It doesn't bother me one way or another but I do feel bad for the pros who are unable to get a pro card when people that are regular MAC users can get one so easily......

 

[SMMY]

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Originally Posted by exoticarbcqen I think MAC needs to put into place harder requirements for the PRO card. I KNOW several girls who go to kinkos, make up cards, and have random people write them recommendations. I think its pathetic and sickning. All for makeup? seriously, give me a break. I can only hope that the makeup turns their face green. I think the PRO card should be given to those people DIRECTLY in the profession and use makeup on a day to day basis. Hair stylist really have no reason to get the pro card and neither do editors of magazines etc. I think you SHOULD DEFINITELY rat her ass out. I would in a heart beat. In the end, its scammers like her who cause price inflation and that effects US ALL. I could apply for a pro card since I do bridal makeup for middle eastern/afgan/paki/indian girls BUT I AM NOT GOING TO APPLY since I do it free lance and do not have a cosmotolgy license and have no desire to get one. MAC isnt that expensive to begin with and I dont plan on amassing huge amounts of makeup, afterall it does expire and I cant wear 583904580934 eyeshadows at once. I think you NEED to call the company about her. Their was a girl on specktra that TRYED to scam me out of almost $200 and I tracked her down, called her job [she worked at sephora], got her fired, called the cops on her, told her friends what a scammer she was and eventually she got scared and refunded me my money. Alot of other members sent me PMs about her and their experiences about her. I think it takes one person, with balls, to put an end to fraud and although, my said experience was a bit different, your friend is still scamming not only the company but ALL OF US.

Well said and remind me to never piss you off.

And bravo for following through. If more people got involved when they saw someone taking advantage of something nice (swapping, Pro discounts and CPs) and abusing it, the world would be a much better place. Sometimes I wonder where people get their ethics from - the Jerry Springer show???

 

[MissVanessa]

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Originally Posted by SMMY Isn't this analogous to watching someone break into someone else's car and not reporting it because it "doesn't affect you directly"? I do think in the long run, fraud does affect us all directly. It drives up the costs of cosmetics for us consumers and will make it more difficult in the future for people who are qualified for a Pro discount to establish that they are indeed Pros, if MAC feels that the Pro discount program has too many abusers.

That's completely different. I don't really see breaking into someone's car and lying to get a discount on makeup really on the same level, but whatever.

 

[Beauty Mark]

They're different extremes, but you're still witnessing someone doing something wrong.

 

[Pushpa]

wow so much acquiescence

do u work for mac b/c then you are supposed to report her fraud
when ppl abuse their pro card i feel no shame in reporting them... i think of alll the men and women i meet that are rejected for pro cards b/c they didn't provide enough proof and this lady just did it easy breezy...lol yes i just wrote easy breezy...
id you don't work for mac i would still call the PPID number and report her...her fraud is just going to make it harder in the long run for legit ppl to get approved for their cards

just my two cents

SMMY i completley agree

 

[NicksWifey]

I had to explain this whole story to my mother today and while she knows how much I love MAC and even has a few products on her own, she thought it was totally wrong. My mother personally knows her and her family, so she said it doesn't surprise her one bit. She told me that she doesn't think it's my business to report her, but I kept telling her that thanks to her and other people that do this, we have to pay for the cost of fraud.

I'm going to call MAC's PRO number tomorrow and talk to someone about it. No it doesn't directly affect me, but then again it does..know what I mean? It's just not fair to all of the people in the industry that have them and those who can't get them.

 

[exoticarbcqen]

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Originally Posted by MissVanessa That's completely different. I don't really see breaking into someone's car and lying to get a discount on makeup really on the same level, but whatever.

fraud is fraud though, dosent matter on what level. This girl falsified information. My question is what bozo approved her application? I saw alot of videos on you tube about girls trying to get PRO cards with written recommendations of their MUAs. Thats unfair, I mean just because you are giving your MUA commission dosent mean they should put their own ass on the line to offer a recommendation. One of the girls I am talking about is a popular youtuber. She isnt even near the fashion/makeup etc profession and has no license. Totally unfair.

 

[GreekChick]

^Wow, I had absolutely no idea that this was going on? I mean, youtube? You're not a Pro because you are posting tutorials on youtube.
Personally, I think the people who should get approved are the ones who are certified and own a makeup business or work for one. Just because someone does makeup on all their friends and/or basically free work doesn't necessarily make them pros.

 

[exoticarbcqen]

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Originally Posted by GreekChick ^Wow, I had absolutely no idea that this was going on? I mean, youtube? You're not a Pro because you are posting tutorials on youtube. Personally, I think the people who should get approved are the ones who are certified and own a makeup business or work for one. Just because someone does makeup on all their friends and/or basically free work doesn't necessarily make them pros.

EXACTLY.

 

[M.A.C. head.]

Let a player play *shrugs*

It may not be fair, but she's not taking from anyone else, she's just getting for herself.

I don't have the heart to do something like that, but I sure as hell wish I did at times.

 

[fafinette21]

I'm kind of confused about some of the comments here. If it was so easy for this woman to fake her way into a PRO card then how come so many of you know people who are ACTUALLY in the makeup industry but they can't get cards? Shouldn't it be just as easy for them to get one?
I don't think you necessarily need a license though. I think you could be self taught and be as brilliant and knowledgable about everything as someone professionally trained is.