The 44th President Obama!!!!

angeliquea~+

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Just my 2c... I don't think it's necessarily that having a man of colour puts "people at ease" (although I do acknowledge that some people will feel this way!) I think it goes a little bit deeper than that. What I mean by that is, the experiences of Obama are more likely to mirror those of other African-Americans/people of colour, therefore they are more likely to share similar viewpoints/ideologies and thus why they feel more at ease with Obama being at the helm.

As other people have said I think most people voted for him simply because they thought he would do a better job. I read somewhere that in most elections, when there is an economic downturn voters often turn away from the incumbent party, which is also what happened here in Australia. If I remember correctly there was a huge swing for Obama after the s*** really hit the fan in regards to the stock market crisis.
 

carandru

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I found this note on my sis-in-laws blog from a few days before the election. (reposted w/ her permission of course) I feel she speaks very well on the issue of this being a momentous election for both African Americans and women:

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.... Almost everyone running in this election was a star (fad). Hilary was definitely a star and McCain, the war hero! Not to mention Palin being picked as a running mate for that sole purpose. Obama is a star because he is black yes, but, is that way he ran?...we have been saying for years that we need another leader not just for the African Americans but for this country. It took great men like JFK and MLK to make a statement. A statement can come from any race. This statement, as Obama is on the verge of winning the elections says this to me:

America, wake up! It is 2008...no longer are there excuses to hold anyone back. People can say what the want. They can throw dirt on your name, they can try to distract you. But there is no limit to what you, the individual, is capable of. If a man of color, with a Muslim name, can make it this far in a time of fear of terrorism and racial profiling, in a time where people of color are still struggling with self identity in this nation, and in a time where the KKK and other groups still pose a threat to his life, can overcome...and do his thing, and do it well...YOU no longer have an excuse. This was, for me, the most important thing about this election. You are no longer limited to a hood rat or a thug...you can be a president...and also, women can be a president. Hilary & Palin (although I still don't know where she came from lmao) are in the same boat. They were stars, and hopefully can help set the tone that America is actually still growing into a place of equal opportunity...

We are not quite there yet...there is still racial and sexist ignorance sprinkled throughout the country, but it always takes a few small steps at a time. People will always be resistant to change & criticize it. In my eyes a black man and two women were in this race, for the first time...that's nutz.

I feel like both black people, and women needed a wake up call. Women of all races are out here degrading themselves and it's to a point where American society is in great distress at home. Both my lovely people of color and women are lost in this country, and the media tries to make it seem like the only way to cope is through the hood, and through quick $$ answers. Maybe this will help them see the limitless opportunities that are in front of them, no matter what obstacles are in front of them.

And lastly, Obama, if he wins, which it is looking good for him...I pray for his life...could you imagine taking such a risk and the weight on his shoulders, and his family's shoulders. Smiling at us...the whole time. I don't think half the people criticizing him, would be able to stand a week in his shoes based on that alone (Colin Powell, who just might have been actually more equipped with experience said "hell no" to that). I'm not saying that he is perfect, and all his views are the greatest... I'm saying that people who are sitting at home, or who are wrapped in their own lives, often forget the human condition that everyone must face. I never thought, I would see something like this while I was still young. But, this really is history that we are watching...I'm thinking about what the history books will say about these things
 

*Stargazer*

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Oprah found that out when she went to that store in Europe didnt she?


How dare a store that is closed not let Oprah in to shop? The unmitigated gall.
 

carandru

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
How dare a store that is closed not let Oprah in to shop? The unmitigated gall.


Your sarcasm really cracks me up!
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concertina

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Originally Posted by Ruby_Woo
Its for example we have Black History month, and we have Hispanic history month, but you never hear white history month because it might be deemed as racist.

Because history taught in our culture, by default, is 'White History'. We don't need a special month to learn about special 'White' Americans; we learn about them nearly every day in elementary, middle and high school.

The 'winner' gets to write history....THAT is why we have special months to learn about other cultures.
 

purrtykitty

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OK, first off, congratulations to the president-elect. I wish him a safe and successful administration.

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I am ecstatic about Obama being our president. All these McCainiacs who refuse to accept Obama can grow up. Us dems had to accept defeat to Bush- TWICE! Come on folks, its Obama- not George Bush. With approval ratings at less than 30% I don't understand how people are saddened with the loss since McCain was nothing but a McClone. Stop crying in your corners and make the best of it.

Statements like this just piss me off. Just think for one minute how you might feel if Obama had not been elected and a McCain supporter told you to get over it. A new president was elected and just because that has occurred does not mean everything is all of a sudden rosy. It still won't change the fact that many don't agree with his policies. It doesn't mean that we won't respect him as our president. I'd appreciate it if the many Obama supporters would get off their high horses and stop throwing the loss in McCain- (or other non-Obama-) supporters' faces. It's really unbecoming and there is such a thing as a sore winner.

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Originally Posted by MxAxC-_ATTACK
The military is far far far more than just "fighting".

When military funding is cut, it effects much more than just the war.

Weapons development isn't just "the bombs we use" , its developing our defense we the united states use to PROTECT OURSELVES from the people who have weapons they want to use against us.


When people think of the Military they only think of the war, and that's it, there is so much more, the fighting is just a small piece of what our service men and women do.


Agreed. My family's income depends heavily on defense funding. Drastic cuts in defense spending mean drastic job losses. Where exactly are those people supposed to find work? There are no equivalent jobs for many of those workers in the private sector.
 

kimmy

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Originally Posted by concertina
Because history taught in our culture, by default, is 'White History'. We don't need a special month to learn about special 'White' Americans; we learn about them nearly every day in elementary, middle and high school.

The 'winner' gets to write history....THAT is why we have special months to learn about other cultures.


i remember spending alot more time in school learning about martin luther king, malcolm x and ceasar chavez than anyone else in history...including george washington and john adams.
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i guess cirriculum is different depending on the place, though, so maybe that's just where i went to school. personally, i think black history month and hispanic history month and everyone else history months just perpetuate segregation, and i'm not a fan of that.
 

kimmy

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i'm over the race-related part of this election. i can't find anything on obama's plans for the space program. anybody know where to find that? i did a google search and...nothin'
 

aziajs

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Originally Posted by kimmy
personally, i think black history month and hispanic history month and everyone else history months just perpetuate segregation...

I agree with you. Everyday should be Black history/Hispanic hertitage/Women's/etc. history month. The curriculum should definitely be more integrated.
 

ClaireAvril

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Originally Posted by kimmy
it wasn't offensive. i apologize if my statement made it seem as though i was offended.
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i wish i knew more people like that.

i'm just saying, that when a white guy gets elected if anyone said "right on, a white dude in the oval office!" people would go batshit over how racist the remark was...but it's okay to say "finally, a black man in the white house!" because why? it doesn't make it okay just because it's geared towards a different group now, racism is racism is racism.


!?!?! I don't get your comment.. Most people don't say that because THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WHITE MAN IN OFFICE.. and it wouldn't be racist if someone said that.. there is no need to say that because that is how its always been. That comment has nothing to do with racism.. its a fact.. seriously.
Isn't this the first time a black man has been in office.? uhhh um i think so.
So that's why its being said.. so that is why people will say.. right on there's a black man in office.

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blindpassion

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I'm agreeing with Claire here, saying "right on theres a black man in the Oval Office" isn't racist in my opinion. I think sometimes our society has become so over sensitive that even saying the words "black man" is interpreted as racist, even though in that instance they were not at all intended to be perceived that way.

Its just like me saying "right on, my mayor is a chick with brown hair" I'm not being sexist or discriminative, I'm just stating a fact that I'm excited about - and everyone has their own reasons for being excited about it, maybe some people love the look of brown hair, maybe others feel that its awesome that this mayor is brunette since the rest have been blonde and its nice to have a change.

Its just an example I ran with, obviously you can see what I mean with it, but I just don't feel its racist to be stoked that there is a black man in office.

Diversity is beautiful and it shouldn't be an issue.
 

Ruby_Woo

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Originally Posted by concertina
Because history taught in our culture, by default, is 'White History'. We don't need a special month to learn about special 'White' Americans; we learn about them nearly every day in elementary, middle and high school.

The 'winner' gets to write history....THAT is why we have special months to learn about other cultures.


Yeah, but we all want equality. Thats the song everyone sing.. equality this.. equality that, yet everyone fights so hard to keep segregation alive. Black history and hispanic history should be part of american history, because they are events that happened here in America. Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, all happened here in America. So why is everyone trying to segregate?

Its not just history months, its clubs at schools (asian club, hispanic club, polynesian club) or Funds/Scholarships that go to certain ethnicities.

If people want equality they should act like it.
 

benzito_714

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Originally Posted by Ruby_Woo
Yeah, but we all want equality. Thats the song everyone sing.. equality this.. equality that, yet everyone fights so hard to keep segregation alive. Black history and hispanic history should be part of american history, because they are events that happened here in America. Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, all happened here in America. So why is everyone trying to segregate?

Its not just history months, its clubs at schools (asian club, hispanic club, polynesian club) or Funds/Scholarships that go to certain ethnicities.

If people want equality they should act like it.


The majority must make an honest attempt to integrate our shared histories. I am from a predominately black school district and in all our texts-from junior high to the end of 12th grade-there has been 1 chapter dedicated to black history. This chapter attempted to explain slavery right up until civil rights. Mind you the text had virtually nothing on other races, women's liberation and you can forget gay liberation, oh wait, they did have an excerpt about the Japanese who worked on the railways or mines in California (forgive me if I am wrong as I said there wasn't much on the subject). Separate history months do not perpetuate segregation-none of these history months have made it a point to glorify one race and down another. It's an honest attempt at education and celebration.
 

Ruby_Woo

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Originally Posted by benzito_714
The majority must make an honest attempt to integrate our shared histories. I am from a predominately black school district and in all our texts-from junior high to the end of 12th grade-there has been 1 chapter dedicated to black history. This chapter attempted to explain slavery right up until civil rights. Mind you the text had virtually nothing on other races, women's liberation and you can forget gay liberation, oh wait, they did have an excerpt about the Japanese who worked on the railways or mines in California (forgive me if I am wrong as I said there wasn't much on the subject). Separate history months do not perpetuate segregation-none of these history months have made it a point to glorify one race and down another. It's an honest attempt at education and celebration.


I just think that if we are to have true equality we cant be having clubs dedicated to certain ethnicities and not have "white club" because it would be racist, that is very double standard. Either we have true equality with no double standard, or all that we are gonna get is this "separate but equal" stuff.

I'm all about knowing your culture, knowing our backgrounds and what makes you.."you." It just seems off that some races can get away with things and others cant.

There probably will never be true equality, but we can do our best to get close.
 

ClaireAvril

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Its up to you to make the initiative to start those clubs on your own and don't say you can't.. don't mind what other races are doing.

There is nothing wrong with having a club to celebrate your ethnicity. Why can't you have a club bringing together people that share the same interests as you?
Every year Toronto has a festival called Caribana which celebrates the islands in the carribean it brings tourists of all colours from across the world and provides lots of revenue for the city. So is this festival segregation?
We also have parts of downtown.. chinatown.. little italy etc.. is this segregation too?
It's called living in a multicultural society.. get used to it. It's not going away. Minorities are the Majority now.

Black History Month is not segregation- GOD! (though this should be celebrated every day) It's a time to celebrate our history and for those who want to educate themselves - well they can learn about it.
Is Breast Cancer awareness month segregation? Is rememberance day segregation? Is the Gay pride parade segregation? All of these things exist so that YOU can learn from it and so that people who share the interest can get together.. Kinda like this site.. is Specktra segregation?

If you want to educate people about your culture.. why don't you? No one is stopping you. You're just too concerned about what other people are doing than to focus on what you can do.
 

FullWroth

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I also wanna point out that it's a little ridiculous to say something like "Well, ALL mainstream history is WHITE history, so you've got YOURS" like there's just one country where all white people originated from. Oh glorious Caucasia, how I yearn to run through your mountainous fields again!

There are a lot of different kinds of white people, just as there are a lot of different kinds of black people - they may be a bit more culturally homogenized in this country, but in other countries, there are lots of different black AND white cultures. The fact is, a lot of WHITE people are marginalized to hell and back by mainstream Western education. How much of eastern Europe gets covered? How much of colonized Australia and New Zealand? How much of non-Greco-Roman Europe? How much of the renaissance outside of Italy? How much of the middle ages?

Even a ton of American history gets glossed over because it's too unpleasant.

Blacks and hispanics aren't the only ones getting marginalized (and Asians are even MORE marginalized, except for where they're relevant to American history, and is India even REMOTELY covered in high school?). My family and I immigrated here from Ukraine, and I'm STILL shocked when an American even knows my country exists, because I definitely never heard it mentioned once in school. You know who I DID hear a lot about? The Romans. And the ancient Greeks. (Who are actually, um, mediterranean and probably a good bit darker than the average white American anyway.) And England. And maybe a little bit of France. And then we mumbled about some middle ages and moved on to the renaissance which took us.... back to Italy! Because most schools only cover the Italian renaissance. Aaaand then we pretty much skipped right ahead to America, pausing only to return to the rest of the world for WW1 and WW2, and even then, only the countries significant to the war.

So if we have all these separate education months, rather than doing something wacky like, I dunno, integrating the important historical achievements and mistakes of EVERY ethnic group into the mainstream educational curriculum, it really doesn't do a favor to anyone. Honestly, I think it diminishes the very culture it's trying to spotlight, like "Oh, it's black history month, I guess we have to pay attention to them until it's over." What makes that month different than any other month? Do blacks not get to have history until February? Are y'all time travelers who made an organized effort to only be historically significant in February? (In which case, black people, you're my new heroes! Let's go have time traveling adventures! Wee! It'll be just like Doctor Who!)

I agree with the person who said that that's not integration, that's more like "separate but equal." Either it's important *all* the time, or it's not important and we're just throwing someone a bone to placate them. My vote is on "it's important," personally. There shouldn't be black history and white history and hispanic history - there should just freakin' be history. Any kind of [race] history should be a specialty class just like British history, French history, women's history, etc.
 

hotmodelchiq

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Originally Posted by Ruby_Woo
we have Black History month, and we have Hispanic history month, but you never hear white history month because it might be deemed as racist.

The reason you dont have "white history month" is because every month that isnt associated with a minority is white history month... seriously... the only reason minorities have these "special" month is because for a loooooong time we werent represented... We learned about what we deem is "white history" year round European history, American history... so speaking as a teacher we need those "special" months to help minority students find theirselves in history... because if all you see are "white" accomplishments that can be discouraging to a young child of "color" in all honesty I dont think there should be any "special" months and I'm black... I dont believe in nor celebrate black history month... thats like a slap in the face... so for 1 month we recognize the accomplishments of blacks but for the other 11 they go ignored... I think there needs to be a MASSIVE overhaul history curriculums nationwide and intergrate all history.
 

ClaireAvril

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Originally Posted by FullWroth
I also wanna point out that it's a little ridiculous to say something like "Well, ALL mainstream history is WHITE history, so you've got YOURS" like there's just one country where all white people originated from. Oh glorious Caucasia, how I yearn to run through your mountainous fields again!

There are a lot of different kinds of white people, just as there are a lot of different kinds of black people - they may be a bit more culturally homogenized in this country, but in other countries, there are lots of different black AND white cultures. The fact is, a lot of WHITE people are marginalized to hell and back by mainstream Western education. How much of eastern Europe gets covered? How much of colonized Australia and New Zealand? How much of non-Greco-Roman Europe? How much of the renaissance outside of Italy? How much of the middle ages?

Even a ton of American history gets glossed over because it's too unpleasant.

Blacks and hispanics aren't the only ones getting marginalized (and Asians are even MORE marginalized, except for where they're relevant to American history, and is India even REMOTELY covered in high school?). My family and I immigrated here from Ukraine, and I'm STILL shocked when an American even knows my country exists, because I definitely never heard it mentioned once in school. You know who I DID hear a lot about? The Romans. And the ancient Greeks. (Who are actually, um, mediterranean and probably a good bit darker than the average white American anyway.) And England. And maybe a little bit of France. And then we mumbled about some middle ages and moved on to the renaissance which took us.... back to Italy! Because most schools only cover the Italian renaissance. Aaaand then we pretty much skipped right ahead to America, pausing only to return to the rest of the world for WW1 and WW2, and even then, only the countries significant to the war.

So if we have all these separate education months, rather than doing something wacky like, I dunno, integrating the important historical achievements and mistakes of EVERY ethnic group into the mainstream educational curriculum, it really doesn't do a favor to anyone. Honestly, I think it diminishes the very culture it's trying to spotlight, like "Oh, it's black history month, I guess we have to pay attention to them until it's over." What makes that month different than any other month? Do blacks not get to have history until February? Are y'all time travelers who made an organized effort to only be historically significant in February? (In which case, black people, you're my new heroes! Let's go have time traveling adventures! Wee! It'll be just like Doctor Who!)

I agree with the person who said that that's not integration, that's more like "separate but equal." Either it's important *all* the time, or it's not important and we're just throwing someone a bone to placate them. My vote is on "it's important," personally. There shouldn't be black history and white history and hispanic history - there should just freakin' be history. Any kind of [race] history should be a specialty class just like British history, French history, women's history, etc.


There is nothing wrong with taking time out to recognize whatever people want to choose to recognize.
Throughout the year there are various events that people celebrate.. Chinese new year, Christmas, Valentines Day, St Patrick's Day, Aids awareness.. everything imaginable.
I am not Chinese but I will appreciate learning about the culture and no one forces me to take part in it.. its my choice.

You take the chance to appreciate learning about new things and turn it into negativity and its harder to be negative about something than to just appreciate.. grown and learn from it.

Anyway..
Like I said get over it.. you can't change it.. start your own damn club and you can pick a damn month to celebrate whatever you want.
Don't mind what other people are doing (if you don't like it why are you concerned about it).. no one is forcing Y'ALL to celebrate black history month or any other ethnic celebration.

C
 

Dizzy

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Originally Posted by ClaireAvril
There is nothing wrong with taking time out to recognize whatever people want to choose to recognize.
Throughout the year there are various events that people celebrate.. Chinese new year, Christmas, Valentines Day, St Patrick's Day, Aids awareness.. everything imaginable.
I am not Chinese but I will appreciate learning about the culture and no one forces me to take part in it.. its my choice.

You take the chance to appreciate learning about new things and turn it into negativity and its harder to be negative about something than to just appreciate.. grown and learn from it.

Anyway..
Like I said get over it.. you can't change it.. start your own damn club and you can pick a damn month to celebrate whatever you want.
Don't mind what other people are doing (if you don't like it why are you concerned about it).. no one is forcing Y'ALL to celebrate black history month or any other ethnic celebration.

C


Methinks you missed her point. She suggests we learn about history in its entirety, not just specialize in one group. It's impossible to study one group without studying the others; it's also impossible to study it through sanitized versions. She's suggesting we study history as it happened regardless of which groups contributed to it.

Holidays are about celebration. History is not about celebration. It's about facts, events and people and how all three cumulatively shape our current realities.
 
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