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WOC can be beautiful & curvalicious, but not white chicks
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Her story is interesting. I remember seeing her a lot when she was thinner. She had a huge campaign for someone but I can't remember who it was. There is another model who did the exact same thing. She was very thin and then one day said screw it and gained weight and now works as a plus-size model. I can't remember her name either.
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YouTube - Crystal Renn, plus-size model I think this model on the video is beautiful and she is a rarity on the catwalk. 
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Her story is interesting. I remember seeing her a lot when she was thinner. She had a huge campaign for someone but I can't remember who it was. There is another model who did the exact same thing. She was very thin and then one day said screw it and gained weight and now works as a plus-size model. I can't remember her name either.
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Is it confirmed that Heidi Klum had her breasts done? She has had three kids in recent years.
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Loveleighe
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i think it's sometimes a cultural thing and that it also depends on who you ask i know black and white men who adore women with the right curves and black and white men who adore women who are very thin without curves so it could go either way.
Growing up in a predominantly white neighborhood i always thought it was wrong for me to have curves honestly i didn't know any better until highschool. I think it had a lot to do with being called fat just bcus i had thick thighs and a big butt... i only weighed around 120-130lbs at close to 5'10 and i was an athlete so i'd say now that was no where close to being fat . I think when it became popular to have curves again like when jlo became big and etc even though i wasn't in any skinner and still lived in the same neighborhood it was all of a sudden ok and sexy that i had curves. it then changed to a oh your ass isn't big enough kind of thing.
Growing up in a predominantly white neighborhood i always thought it was wrong for me to have curves honestly i didn't know any better until highschool. I think it had a lot to do with being called fat just bcus i had thick thighs and a big butt... i only weighed around 120-130lbs at close to 5'10 and i was an athlete so i'd say now that was no where close to being fat . I think when it became popular to have curves again like when jlo became big and etc even though i wasn't in any skinner and still lived in the same neighborhood it was all of a sudden ok and sexy that i had curves. it then changed to a oh your ass isn't big enough kind of thing.
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It's attitudes like these that make girls start wanting to throw up or starve themselves. Some girls will go that far to be able to view themselves as desirable.
I think you should point out to your nephews that a perfect example of practically no body fat is Keira Knightley: stunning, beautiful woman, who admits she has 'no tits' and that hers have been photoshopped bigger in the past.
Slightly OT here, sorry...
I hate how some men can get distorted views of female beauty from the media n porn. I have a distinct memory of shopping with a male friend and commenting on a pretty dress on a shop dummy. He commented about how the dummy looked unrealistic because its breasts were too low :|
| Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
I can tell you that "normal looking curvy white chicks" were dumped by white young guys, because they were considered fat. They WERE NORMAL. Ugh! In fact, I thought they were adorable dolls. My own nephews are highly conscious of body fat on their girl friends. They don't want any fat, but they want boobs. ??? One stated that he would like his girlfriend to look exactly like one of those animated characters in a computer game or a Playmate. I gave him a talk, but it doesn't do any good. They want perfection. They pick their poor girlfriends apart behind their backs. I hear things --"I try to walk her." "I take food away from her at restaurants." I said, "She isn't a dog. She is a healthy girl. What is wrong with you? Do you think you are perfection? Leave that girl alone and love her for what she is." |
It's attitudes like these that make girls start wanting to throw up or starve themselves. Some girls will go that far to be able to view themselves as desirable.
I think you should point out to your nephews that a perfect example of practically no body fat is Keira Knightley: stunning, beautiful woman, who admits she has 'no tits' and that hers have been photoshopped bigger in the past.
Slightly OT here, sorry...
I hate how some men can get distorted views of female beauty from the media n porn. I have a distinct memory of shopping with a male friend and commenting on a pretty dress on a shop dummy. He commented about how the dummy looked unrealistic because its breasts were too low :|
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I can only speak on what I have experienced.
In my experience, white guys have never been attracted to me. I don't know if its because my look, or because I don't really look like a particular race. or my body. I have big boobs, and kind of small legs and butt. I have always wanted thick thighs and a big butt.
The kind of guys I am attracted to (black) love that on a woman. They love ass, hips, thighs, breasts....they love it. Theres a difference between curvy and fat. I agree with Mitchie---it all depends on who is looking at you and judging you. If I see a girl with thick thighs and hips and big butt, to be honest with you---thats attractive to me. I think a curvy girl looks great. I think curves are very womanly And personally, I wish I had more curves lol.
The one thing I always notice is on tv or when i speak to white women in my life. When a white woman says "I have a big fat ass" she usually isnt happy about it. when she asks her husband "Do these jeans make my ass look fat?" And he is trying to figure out the right thing to say....its opposite with me. If I ask a guy "Do these jeans make my ass look fat?" I want him to say "hell yeah baby" LOL! Do you get what I'm saying?
In my experience, white guys have never been attracted to me. I don't know if its because my look, or because I don't really look like a particular race. or my body. I have big boobs, and kind of small legs and butt. I have always wanted thick thighs and a big butt.
The kind of guys I am attracted to (black) love that on a woman. They love ass, hips, thighs, breasts....they love it. Theres a difference between curvy and fat. I agree with Mitchie---it all depends on who is looking at you and judging you. If I see a girl with thick thighs and hips and big butt, to be honest with you---thats attractive to me. I think a curvy girl looks great. I think curves are very womanly And personally, I wish I had more curves lol.
The one thing I always notice is on tv or when i speak to white women in my life. When a white woman says "I have a big fat ass" she usually isnt happy about it. when she asks her husband "Do these jeans make my ass look fat?" And he is trying to figure out the right thing to say....its opposite with me. If I ask a guy "Do these jeans make my ass look fat?" I want him to say "hell yeah baby" LOL! Do you get what I'm saying?
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I don't get where this "white women aren't built that way" mentality would ever come from. I know some hella curvy super-white girls (like pale pale pale and light blonde) and I also know of some really rather thin black women.
The moral of the story is that we all come in different sizes no matter what race.
The moral of the story is that we all come in different sizes no matter what race.
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I think everyone has pre-conceived notions of what certain women of certain races look like; I really do think it boils down to stereotypes. I don't know why, but there a lot of pressures to look a certain way. Asians are similar to white in that you are either fat or thin according to many.
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I agree with you. It has become more "acceptable" to be "curvier" but only to a point. I think even the JLo's have felt the pressure. It's like, "ok, it's sexy and exotic to be curvy but just don't get too curvy."
| Originally Posted by Loveleighe
I think when it became popular to have curves again like when jlo became big and etc even though i wasn't in any skinner and still lived in the same neighborhood it was all of a sudden ok and sexy that i had curves. it then changed to a oh your ass isn't big enough kind of thing. |
I agree with you. It has become more "acceptable" to be "curvier" but only to a point. I think even the JLo's have felt the pressure. It's like, "ok, it's sexy and exotic to be curvy but just don't get too curvy."
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ITA. There's a tremendous difference between losing weight to be healthier and losing to conform to societal aesthetics. Pumpkincat (cute name, BTW!) it sounds like you're in a good place with yourself. You're at a healthy weight, physically and emotionally, and, if you are genetically inclined toward being thin, you probably aren't starving yourself to maintain your figure.
The trouble is, not everyone is built to be thin. Sometimes there are ethnic differences; African-American and Latina women, on the average, have higher BMIs than Caucasian and Asian women. I'm white but I have a very sturdy build---descended from a long line of European farmers and peasants, I guess! My wrists are large, my ankles are thick, and I have so much musculature on my lower body that I sink rather than swim. I so regret how I hated my body when I was in my twenties. Okay, so I was built like an athlete instead of a model---what's wrong with that? I wasted my teens and twenties feeling "fat". I wore a size eight, sometimes a six, and I felt inadequate because I didn't wear a four. Now, in my forties and a size sixteen, sometimes I give up because I know I'll never be a four, I never want to be a four, I'm not meant to be a four---but in our culture, size twelve, which is good for me, is considered "fat". Then again, some people consider a size four to be "fat", too.
SparklingWaves, I went through the same kind of crap in my teens and twenties that your nephews' girlfriends are putting up with now. I remember a guy telling me when I was a size eight that I was getting fat. What a jerk!
I thought men might change as they matured but, unfortunately, I was wrong. I was divorced in my early forties---nice face, nice skin, took care of myself, but overweight because that was a way to deal with life stress. It was a maladaptive way, but I needed some way to try to cope with the end of my marriage and the process of trying to start live over as a single mom. I didn't think much about dating until I'd lost some weight---got to be a size twelve---and men started paying attention to me. (Interestingly, I lived in an area that wasn't exactly racially diverse but I did get a lot of attention from African-American men---and I've got a sorry flat butt, LOL!) When I began dating, I expected men to have grown past expecting a woman to be physically perfect---after all, middle aged women are perfectly willing to overlook beer bellies, leathery skin and receding hairlines to see the real man inside.
I joined an online dating service---interesting experience to say the least but I digress. One man I met---his face literally fell when his gaze went from my face to my body. I was a size twelve---proportionate for my height and body build---but obviously too fat for him. Another man said he "could not stand" fat people so I asked him to define "fat". To me, "fat" is overweight to the point of potentially damaging one's health or not being able to do certain things because of one's weight. To these guys I met online, "fat" meant anything over a size six.
Fortunately, I did meet---and marry---a man who was emotionally mature enough to look behind the size labels in my clothes to see who I really am. I've also worked hard on my two sons to help them to realize that there is no one standard of beauty and that they should look at the inside as well as the outside in deciding whom they want to date.
And I am working on losing some weight---not solely for aesthetics but mostly for health---and I am doing it from the perspective of loving my body (flat white booty and all!) rather than loathing it as I have for so much of my life.
| Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
I can tell you that "normal looking curvy white chicks" were dumped by white young guys, because they were considered fat. They WERE NORMAL. Ugh! In fact, I thought they were adorable dolls. My own nephews are highly conscious of body fat on their girl friends. They don't want any fat, but they want boobs. ??? One stated that he would like his girlfriend to look exactly like one of those animated characters in a computer game or a Playmate. I gave him a talk, but it doesn't do any good. They want perfection. They pick their poor girlfriends apart behind their backs. I hear things --"I try to walk her." "I take food away from her at restaurants." I said, "She isn't a dog. She is a healthy girl. What is wrong with you? Do you think you are perfection? Leave that girl alone and love her for what she is." |
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What's wrong with a white chick being skinny? I'm skinny, i'm white and i like being that way. I have weighed alot before and it just wasn't me. The fat slowed me down considerably and was hard on my knees. I feel good about myself now and I am not having health problems, however my inlaws tell me i'm too skinny (and they are both overweight). Weight becomes a problem when you your immune system is weakened because you are malnourished. signs of this are fainting, dizziness and being tired. |
ITA. There's a tremendous difference between losing weight to be healthier and losing to conform to societal aesthetics. Pumpkincat (cute name, BTW!) it sounds like you're in a good place with yourself. You're at a healthy weight, physically and emotionally, and, if you are genetically inclined toward being thin, you probably aren't starving yourself to maintain your figure.
The trouble is, not everyone is built to be thin. Sometimes there are ethnic differences; African-American and Latina women, on the average, have higher BMIs than Caucasian and Asian women. I'm white but I have a very sturdy build---descended from a long line of European farmers and peasants, I guess! My wrists are large, my ankles are thick, and I have so much musculature on my lower body that I sink rather than swim. I so regret how I hated my body when I was in my twenties. Okay, so I was built like an athlete instead of a model---what's wrong with that? I wasted my teens and twenties feeling "fat". I wore a size eight, sometimes a six, and I felt inadequate because I didn't wear a four. Now, in my forties and a size sixteen, sometimes I give up because I know I'll never be a four, I never want to be a four, I'm not meant to be a four---but in our culture, size twelve, which is good for me, is considered "fat". Then again, some people consider a size four to be "fat", too.
SparklingWaves, I went through the same kind of crap in my teens and twenties that your nephews' girlfriends are putting up with now. I remember a guy telling me when I was a size eight that I was getting fat. What a jerk!
I thought men might change as they matured but, unfortunately, I was wrong. I was divorced in my early forties---nice face, nice skin, took care of myself, but overweight because that was a way to deal with life stress. It was a maladaptive way, but I needed some way to try to cope with the end of my marriage and the process of trying to start live over as a single mom. I didn't think much about dating until I'd lost some weight---got to be a size twelve---and men started paying attention to me. (Interestingly, I lived in an area that wasn't exactly racially diverse but I did get a lot of attention from African-American men---and I've got a sorry flat butt, LOL!) When I began dating, I expected men to have grown past expecting a woman to be physically perfect---after all, middle aged women are perfectly willing to overlook beer bellies, leathery skin and receding hairlines to see the real man inside.
I joined an online dating service---interesting experience to say the least but I digress. One man I met---his face literally fell when his gaze went from my face to my body. I was a size twelve---proportionate for my height and body build---but obviously too fat for him. Another man said he "could not stand" fat people so I asked him to define "fat". To me, "fat" is overweight to the point of potentially damaging one's health or not being able to do certain things because of one's weight. To these guys I met online, "fat" meant anything over a size six.
Fortunately, I did meet---and marry---a man who was emotionally mature enough to look behind the size labels in my clothes to see who I really am. I've also worked hard on my two sons to help them to realize that there is no one standard of beauty and that they should look at the inside as well as the outside in deciding whom they want to date.
And I am working on losing some weight---not solely for aesthetics but mostly for health---and I am doing it from the perspective of loving my body (flat white booty and all!) rather than loathing it as I have for so much of my life.
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I found a site that measures ideal body measurements. Pretty interesting, but to be taken lightly since everyone is going to be different.
Human Aesthetics Calculator
also bmi and weight/vs height calculator. EEp according to this i'm underweight Ideal Body Weight Charts
another interesting site Am I Fat? Discover the ins and outs of your body weight. I thought the section of the 1950s weight was interesting and the army weight thing.
Please don't be offended by any of these sites I just found them interesting.
Human Aesthetics Calculator
also bmi and weight/vs height calculator. EEp according to this i'm underweight Ideal Body Weight Charts
another interesting site Am I Fat? Discover the ins and outs of your body weight. I thought the section of the 1950s weight was interesting and the army weight thing.
Please don't be offended by any of these sites I just found them interesting.
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Wow, I don't really agree with the choices. They are all small figured but some are not too skinny. The ones that always stuck out to me were Nicole Ritchie and Kate Bosworth, but they've gained a little bit of weight since. Teri Hatcher needs to gain some weight and Sienna Miller could stand to gain 5-10 pounds. I don't think Lindsay Lohan is too thin either anymore, she looks pretty out of shape now considering she is a celebrity and they usually workout to look good on camera. Ellen Pompeo doesn't look so good, she is definately to thin.
I think Angelina Jolie is too skinny, if she gained weight i think she would look excellent . I even thought she was way too thin when she was pregnant with Shiloh. I always here of her passing out and not eating i wonder if she has an eating disorder.
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VH1 20 Skinniest Celebs VH1 All Access: 20 Skinniest Celebs | Photo Gallery | VH1.com I had problems with the thumbnails. You can see their list too. |
Wow, I don't really agree with the choices. They are all small figured but some are not too skinny. The ones that always stuck out to me were Nicole Ritchie and Kate Bosworth, but they've gained a little bit of weight since. Teri Hatcher needs to gain some weight and Sienna Miller could stand to gain 5-10 pounds. I don't think Lindsay Lohan is too thin either anymore, she looks pretty out of shape now considering she is a celebrity and they usually workout to look good on camera. Ellen Pompeo doesn't look so good, she is definately to thin.
I think Angelina Jolie is too skinny, if she gained weight i think she would look excellent . I even thought she was way too thin when she was pregnant with Shiloh. I always here of her passing out and not eating i wonder if she has an eating disorder.
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I am not curvacious by Woc standards, but i always attract black guys. More than white guys actually. I know white guys that like black girls too.
I was in a mall predominantly shopped at by black people. I noticed the mannequins were different shaped. They were very curvy and looked like woc. Even the paint on them was black. At stores like Macy's the mannequins are all white and have the waif look going on. I have to admit i was surprised they had different shapes of mannequins, I think they should switch it up at stores and use both shapes.
I was in a mall predominantly shopped at by black people. I noticed the mannequins were different shaped. They were very curvy and looked like woc. Even the paint on them was black. At stores like Macy's the mannequins are all white and have the waif look going on. I have to admit i was surprised they had different shapes of mannequins, I think they should switch it up at stores and use both shapes.
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I'm actually surprised your nephew goes out with Woc considering how picky he is on size. At least he isn't a racist too. My husband and an ex boyfriend said there is a rule about guys picking their wives. The trick is to look at their mother and see how her body looks and that is what they will look like in x amount of years. I find this ridiculous, i know lots of girls that look totally different from their mothers. Yes, people gain weight over time, after getting into a serious relationship, childbirth, stress etc.
It's so not surprising that he is getting dumped alot. I fluctuate 10 pounds in weight constantly. Sometimes it's noticeable in my stomach mostly, would i get dumped that day? I would not be able to handle a young guy in college. He would drive me nuts and young guys tend to not know much about women physically and emotionally.
| Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
This is an actual conversation with one of my nephews. I do notice that when he goes out with ladies of color those strict rules of skinniness do not apply. Again, I have addressed that. I said, "What is up with this? You are so biased it isn't funny? You go out with X and you dumped her, because she looked like she had gained weight. But, now you are going out with X and she isn't a bag of bones." He said, "She is Hot." I said, "Why wasn't X hot with more weight?" Reply, "I don't know." UGH! Anyway, he got dumped by the "hot" girl and he was devastated. He still talks about her. Hmm He actually has been getting dumped a lot lately. I WONDER why. |
I'm actually surprised your nephew goes out with Woc considering how picky he is on size. At least he isn't a racist too. My husband and an ex boyfriend said there is a rule about guys picking their wives. The trick is to look at their mother and see how her body looks and that is what they will look like in x amount of years. I find this ridiculous, i know lots of girls that look totally different from their mothers. Yes, people gain weight over time, after getting into a serious relationship, childbirth, stress etc.
It's so not surprising that he is getting dumped alot. I fluctuate 10 pounds in weight constantly. Sometimes it's noticeable in my stomach mostly, would i get dumped that day? I would not be able to handle a young guy in college. He would drive me nuts and young guys tend to not know much about women physically and emotionally.
Beauty Mark
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BMI isn't a great means of measuring your health. Many athletes will be considered overweight because of the muscle factor.
Another problem with the stereotypes is that WOC sometimes believe they aren't "___" enough because they don't have round bottoms, huge breasts, etc. A friend of mine (Asian) believes she isn't beautiful, because she is quite tall for a woman. She is pretty, but because of her family believing that Asians should be short, she does not find herself very pretty. Some women, regardless of race, are simply not meant to be certain things.
Another problem with the stereotypes is that WOC sometimes believe they aren't "___" enough because they don't have round bottoms, huge breasts, etc. A friend of mine (Asian) believes she isn't beautiful, because she is quite tall for a woman. She is pretty, but because of her family believing that Asians should be short, she does not find herself very pretty. Some women, regardless of race, are simply not meant to be certain things.
