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WOC can be beautiful & curvalicious, but not white chicks
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Seriously, I'm not following this. What's the point of posting 11 links in a row without any sort of commentary to go with them?
"The media" would have a lot less influence when it came to crap like this if people would eat sensibly, workout regularly, and have some common sense. Stop worrying about Gisele, or Beyonce, or Rihanna, or Lindsay Lohan, or whomever, and start looking at one's own lifestyle and making smart choices for oneself.
"The media" would have a lot less influence when it came to crap like this if people would eat sensibly, workout regularly, and have some common sense. Stop worrying about Gisele, or Beyonce, or Rihanna, or Lindsay Lohan, or whomever, and start looking at one's own lifestyle and making smart choices for oneself.
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One of the above links stated the following:
98% OF UK WOMEN HATE THEIR SHAPE
30% WORRY ABOUT WEIGHT EVERY MINUTE
The another stated this.
The average woman sees 400 to 600 advertisements per day,4 and by the time she is 17 years old, she has received over 250,000 commercial messages through the media.5
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Advertisements emphasize thinness as a standard for female beauty, and the bodies idealized in the media are frequently atypical of normal, healthy women. In fact, today's fashion models weigh 23% less than the average female,10 and a young woman between the ages of 18-34 has a 7% chance of being as slim as a catwalk model and a 1% chance of being as thin as a supermodel.11 However, 69% of girls in one study said that magazine models influence their idea of the perfect body shape,12 and the pervasive acceptance of this unrealistic body type creates an impractical standard for the majority of women.
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Of course, I posted pictures of these actresses that are shrinking. Predominantly, they are Caucasian females. People can debate that, but look at the images and the % of those that look like skeletons. I have found it to be primarily Caucasian women.
There are a very few women that are curvy and Caucasian in Hollywood and some of them have recently been criticized. I haven't put up that link yet.
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We see posts all the time of people trying to copy X and X doesn't even look like X with out help. I remember a while back I posted a thread that Cindy Crawford had been admitting to having cosmetic surgery, since she was 28. Most said, "Who cares?" I put it up, because she has been stating that her creams she sells and her wonderful genetics were causing her to look so good for years. She was lying all a long. In fact, she too is looking thinner than ever now.
As far as the food issue, it's not about what they are eating. It's that they aren't eating well to obtain a certain size for that ridiculous standard in Hollywood. That's why I posted that link and it was a follow-up to what I had mentioned earlier in the thread. I just had found the actual link. Because, some people always say, "Oh, that person is naturally that thin." No, they aren't and they are admitting they aren't. In fact, they are telling they are being told to be even thinner by their producers.
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If that many woman aren't satisfied with their appearance, there is a reason why.
There is a point to the posts. I have left them up to the posters to read them and make their own conclusions.
When you think that you aren't motivated by images, think how did I get sold a lipstick, a drink, under ware, clothing, etc. You were sold by images. Now, what were those images making you think you were getting in return? Did you actually get it?
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I like what Beautymark stated earlier in the thread about how about if standards were like this for men. I mean what if all men were supposed to have a 34" waist and a 46" chest. Let's make tight buns too. They would have to long legs, strong jaw bone, straight teeth, bright smile, thick hair, nice size calves... Hmmm. Oh, I could go on and on. Can you imagine women dumping a guy if he didn't measure up too?
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98% OF UK WOMEN HATE THEIR SHAPE
30% WORRY ABOUT WEIGHT EVERY MINUTE
The another stated this.
The average woman sees 400 to 600 advertisements per day,4 and by the time she is 17 years old, she has received over 250,000 commercial messages through the media.5
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Advertisements emphasize thinness as a standard for female beauty, and the bodies idealized in the media are frequently atypical of normal, healthy women. In fact, today's fashion models weigh 23% less than the average female,10 and a young woman between the ages of 18-34 has a 7% chance of being as slim as a catwalk model and a 1% chance of being as thin as a supermodel.11 However, 69% of girls in one study said that magazine models influence their idea of the perfect body shape,12 and the pervasive acceptance of this unrealistic body type creates an impractical standard for the majority of women.
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Of course, I posted pictures of these actresses that are shrinking. Predominantly, they are Caucasian females. People can debate that, but look at the images and the % of those that look like skeletons. I have found it to be primarily Caucasian women.
There are a very few women that are curvy and Caucasian in Hollywood and some of them have recently been criticized. I haven't put up that link yet.
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We see posts all the time of people trying to copy X and X doesn't even look like X with out help. I remember a while back I posted a thread that Cindy Crawford had been admitting to having cosmetic surgery, since she was 28. Most said, "Who cares?" I put it up, because she has been stating that her creams she sells and her wonderful genetics were causing her to look so good for years. She was lying all a long. In fact, she too is looking thinner than ever now.
As far as the food issue, it's not about what they are eating. It's that they aren't eating well to obtain a certain size for that ridiculous standard in Hollywood. That's why I posted that link and it was a follow-up to what I had mentioned earlier in the thread. I just had found the actual link. Because, some people always say, "Oh, that person is naturally that thin." No, they aren't and they are admitting they aren't. In fact, they are telling they are being told to be even thinner by their producers.
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If that many woman aren't satisfied with their appearance, there is a reason why.
There is a point to the posts. I have left them up to the posters to read them and make their own conclusions.
When you think that you aren't motivated by images, think how did I get sold a lipstick, a drink, under ware, clothing, etc. You were sold by images. Now, what were those images making you think you were getting in return? Did you actually get it?
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I like what Beautymark stated earlier in the thread about how about if standards were like this for men. I mean what if all men were supposed to have a 34" waist and a 46" chest. Let's make tight buns too. They would have to long legs, strong jaw bone, straight teeth, bright smile, thick hair, nice size calves... Hmmm. Oh, I could go on and on. Can you imagine women dumping a guy if he didn't measure up too?
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Women do dump men for not measuring up, perhaps financially, perhaps in a caregiver role, but for not measuring up nonetheless.
Why be so insecure? Why be so easily led by other people and what their perceptions are? As a grown woman, not a child, isn't it upon me to stand (or fall) on my own, without blaming anyone else for any mishaps in doing so.
We need to stop looking for people to blame for our perceptions of self.
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One of the above links stated the following: 98% OF UK WOMEN HATE THEIR SHAPE 30% WORRY ABOUT WEIGHT EVERY MINUTE The another stated this. The average woman sees 400 to 600 advertisements per day,4 and by the time she is 17 years old, she has received over 250,000 commercial messages through the media.5 [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Advertisements emphasize thinness as a standard for female beauty, and the bodies idealized in the media are frequently atypical of normal, healthy women. In fact, today's fashion models weigh 23% less than the average female,10 and a young woman between the ages of 18-34 has a 7% chance of being as slim as a catwalk model and a 1% chance of being as thin as a supermodel.11 However, 69% of girls in one study said that magazine models influence their idea of the perfect body shape,12 and the pervasive acceptance of this unrealistic body type creates an impractical standard for the majority of women. -------------------------------------------- Of course, I posted pictures of these actresses that are shrinking. Predominantly, they are Caucasian females. People can debate that, but look at the images and the % of those that look like skeletons. I have found it to be primarily Caucasian women. There are a very few women that are curvy and Caucasian in Hollywood and some of them have recently been criticized. I haven't put up that link yet. ------------------------------------------------- We see posts all the time of people trying to copy X and X doesn't even look like X with out help. I remember a while back I posted a thread that Cindy Crawford had been admitting to having cosmetic surgery, since she was 28. Most said, "Who cares?" I put it up, because she has been stating that her creams she sells and her wonderful genetics were causing her to look so good for years. She was lying all a long. In fact, she too is looking thinner than ever now. As far as the food issue, it's not about what they are eating. It's that they aren't eating well to obtain a certain size for that ridiculous standard in Hollywood. That's why I posted that link and it was a follow-up to what I had mentioned earlier in the thread. I just had found the actual link. Because, some people always say, "Oh, that person is naturally that thin." No, they aren't and they are admitting they aren't. In fact, they are telling they are being told to be even thinner by their producers. --------------------------------------- If that many woman aren't satisfied with their appearance, there is a reason why. There is a point to the posts. I have left them up to the posters to read them and make their own conclusions. When you think that you aren't motivated by images, think how did I get sold a lipstick, a drink, under ware, clothing, etc. You were sold by images. Now, what were those images making you think you were getting in return? Did you actually get it? ----------------------- I like what Beautymark stated earlier in the thread about how about if standards were like this for men. I mean what if all men were supposed to have a 34" waist and a 46" chest. Let's make tight buns too. They would have to long legs, strong jaw bone, straight teeth, bright smile, thick hair, nice size calves... Hmmm. Oh, I could go on and on. Can you imagine women dumping a guy if he didn't measure up too? [/FONT] |
Women do dump men for not measuring up, perhaps financially, perhaps in a caregiver role, but for not measuring up nonetheless.
Why be so insecure? Why be so easily led by other people and what their perceptions are? As a grown woman, not a child, isn't it upon me to stand (or fall) on my own, without blaming anyone else for any mishaps in doing so.
We need to stop looking for people to blame for our perceptions of self.
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Then instead of buying into it, teach your nieces and your cousins and your daughters that those images aren't real.
Teach them the value of working hard to look the best their body can in the most healthy manner possible.
Teach them that it's good and okay for a woman to be strong and not feeble.
These media images are prevalent because the attention is being paid to them. Stop buying the magazines, stop clicking the links and reading the gossip. Offer positive feedback to shows and magazines and e-zines etc. that feature healthy women with healthy lifestyles.
Change the way you live your life and don't buy into the hype. By setting that example and saying "No, sorry Glamour and Elle and Cosmo, you're not getting my money until you stop photoshopping the life out of a woman for your cover and start featuring models who look like they've eaten a cheeseburger or six in their lifetime" and teaching the young girls in your life to do the same.
The 'standard' of beauty is set because people buy into that hype. If it's not pretty, say so. If it's unrealistic, say so. DO something about it. Write the blogs, the magazines, etc. and call them out for the thin-offs and the photoshopping and the glorification of unhealthy eating and drinking habits, but for God's sake, stop the hand wringing and the chicken littling and realize that change starts with oneself and the people one can immediately impact.
Teach them the value of working hard to look the best their body can in the most healthy manner possible.
Teach them that it's good and okay for a woman to be strong and not feeble.
These media images are prevalent because the attention is being paid to them. Stop buying the magazines, stop clicking the links and reading the gossip. Offer positive feedback to shows and magazines and e-zines etc. that feature healthy women with healthy lifestyles.
Change the way you live your life and don't buy into the hype. By setting that example and saying "No, sorry Glamour and Elle and Cosmo, you're not getting my money until you stop photoshopping the life out of a woman for your cover and start featuring models who look like they've eaten a cheeseburger or six in their lifetime" and teaching the young girls in your life to do the same.
The 'standard' of beauty is set because people buy into that hype. If it's not pretty, say so. If it's unrealistic, say so. DO something about it. Write the blogs, the magazines, etc. and call them out for the thin-offs and the photoshopping and the glorification of unhealthy eating and drinking habits, but for God's sake, stop the hand wringing and the chicken littling and realize that change starts with oneself and the people one can immediately impact.
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Don't worry about what everyone else is doing, watching, or reading. Worry about what you're doing, watching, and reading. Worry about the impact YOU have on the lives around YOU.
I get what you're saying, but I honestly don't see the point in being atwitter over what everyone else is doing.
I get what you're saying, but I honestly don't see the point in being atwitter over what everyone else is doing.
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But it doesn't sound like you're bringing awareness or being informed, it sounds like you're handwringing, IMO. I don't say that to pick at you, at all, but I do say it with all honesty.
Non-"hollywood" standards of beauty aren't really any better, nor are 'easternized' images. Have you seen what Asian women do to themselves to be 'beautiful'? It's not just western culture, and it's not just hollywood standards.
Non-"hollywood" standards of beauty aren't really any better, nor are 'easternized' images. Have you seen what Asian women do to themselves to be 'beautiful'? It's not just western culture, and it's not just hollywood standards.
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It's completely related to this topic, as you're railing against a 'system' and not taking other similar cultures into account. You're talking about how mean unfair and vicious this 'hollywood/westernized' culture is, but it's not the only one in the world that chews people up and spits them out. Instead of looking to blame the machine, blame the people running it.
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I think that's a pretty inaccurate assumption, based on nothing remotely resembling logical thought process. If I wanted the thread stopped, I simply wouldn't read it.
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I don't like perpetual victimization of oneself.
Hollywood isn't responsible for your or my or anyone else's self esteem. We're all responsible individually for our own self esteem and our own self worth.
I don't like the perpetual looking to blame someone for making you feel bad about yourself. If you don't want to feel bad about yourself, don't. It's really that simple. Look at the crap you're reading and looking at and acknowledge it as the crap it is, and a) stop reading it or b) stop buying into it and most definitely c) stop blaming it.
I don't like the topic because it teeters perilously close, in my mind, to whining. Who cares whether Brooke Shields or Cindy Crawford or Gisele Bundchen are naturally pretty? And if you do, WHY? They're not affecting you. You don't have to buy their crap. You don't have to click those sites. You don't have to do anything to further perpetuate that mess, but you choose to, then you choose to blame it for how you choose to feel. (Please note that "YOU" in these statements isn't referencing anyone specifically, but is a general pronoun used for ease of typing and articulation.)
You have a choice whether to feel bad about yourself.
You have a choice whether to influence a young girl positively or negatively.
You have a choice whether to live healthily or not.
Those things are things that are within your control to choose or not choose to do, but once the choice is made, don't blame someone else for it being the wrong choice...because ultimately, that was your decision.
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This is the threads topic. I am staying in tune with the topic that I started. I wasn't taking about Asian women or their culture. Sounds like a good topic, but that's not this one. |
It's completely related to this topic, as you're railing against a 'system' and not taking other similar cultures into account. You're talking about how mean unfair and vicious this 'hollywood/westernized' culture is, but it's not the only one in the world that chews people up and spits them out. Instead of looking to blame the machine, blame the people running it.
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I think that's a pretty inaccurate assumption, based on nothing remotely resembling logical thought process. If I wanted the thread stopped, I simply wouldn't read it.
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| Perhaps, you didn't like the topic? You didn't like my examples or data. I don't know. Explain - What is that you didn't like? |
I don't like perpetual victimization of oneself.
Hollywood isn't responsible for your or my or anyone else's self esteem. We're all responsible individually for our own self esteem and our own self worth.
I don't like the perpetual looking to blame someone for making you feel bad about yourself. If you don't want to feel bad about yourself, don't. It's really that simple. Look at the crap you're reading and looking at and acknowledge it as the crap it is, and a) stop reading it or b) stop buying into it and most definitely c) stop blaming it.
I don't like the topic because it teeters perilously close, in my mind, to whining. Who cares whether Brooke Shields or Cindy Crawford or Gisele Bundchen are naturally pretty? And if you do, WHY? They're not affecting you. You don't have to buy their crap. You don't have to click those sites. You don't have to do anything to further perpetuate that mess, but you choose to, then you choose to blame it for how you choose to feel. (Please note that "YOU" in these statements isn't referencing anyone specifically, but is a general pronoun used for ease of typing and articulation.)
You have a choice whether to feel bad about yourself.
You have a choice whether to influence a young girl positively or negatively.
You have a choice whether to live healthily or not.
Those things are things that are within your control to choose or not choose to do, but once the choice is made, don't blame someone else for it being the wrong choice...because ultimately, that was your decision.
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Can I ask why? Because the position was challenged? Isn't that the point of having discussion threads? Do we all have to agree with one another?
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"I don't like the topic because it teeters perilously close, in my mind, to whining." Between this comment and the little horse drug up by Trunk Monkey, the thread is all yours now. I don't beat horses. I am sorry that you didn't see any benefit to the post. 
I am off to other posts. |
Can I ask why? Because the position was challenged? Isn't that the point of having discussion threads? Do we all have to agree with one another?
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I think I can see both of your sides in this. I do think it's important that we maintain discussion about this subject wherever possible because while it's a dead horse to many of us, there are probably a lot of young girls out there who aren't getting enough positive reinforcement and are pretty much left to fend for themselves amid beauty ads and need threads like these. But at the same time, just posting the links really doesn't do much, and I pretty much skip over the celebrity ones.
I don't think the thread comes too close to whining though, at least not for me, but at the same time I also agree that it's too easy to just post links and not comment on them at all, and it's also all too easy to just throw the blame at the feet of the industry. There are people out there buying this stuff in droves, and some of us buy makeup because it's fun and we like to use it to express ourselves or accentuate what we feel is the best thing about our faces to hide the little flaws that we know everyone has, etc. but there are a lot of women out there who buy it because they're insecure and they don't understand airbrushing. Did the media cause their insecurity, or did the media just exacerbate insecurity that was already there? And do those women realize they have a choice in the matter, or are they too wrapped up in the hype to notice? It's a chicken/egg sort of situation, which came first, the customers or the propaganda aimed at making them insecure and dependent on the product, buuuuut it's definitely worth discussing for as long as it takes to tame the beauty industry beast that we've wrought, because there'll always be new generations who so desperately need the reality check, and some of them will take it and some will ignore it, and that's their own damn fault.
People have a choice too though, and I agree with Shimmer there, although I do think once you've gone past a certain point of insecurity and media saturation without positive influences to counteract it, that choice is nigh impossible to see. Obviously we're not all slaves to the industry, despite all our addiction jokes. I had REALLY tremendously low self-esteem as a teenager, and I've managed to get by without developing an eating disorder, so considering both me and the hypothetical anorexic sitting next to me probably both get exposure to the same magazines and celebrities, there's something different between the two of us that made me a bit out of shape (hi, tummy pudge!) but otherwise healthy and her into a raging anorexic.
We do need to attack the industry that's doing this to women (and men, more and more), but as Shimmer pointed out, talking on here isn't going to affect them, it's helping the women you know in your life and making an impact on the incriminating companies' wallets that will. It's getting people to stop buying into the hype that'll make the hype wilt away, regardless of who started it. Can it be done? I dunno. I really hope so, but I dunno. But it's worth discussing, and it's worth disagreeing over, IMO.
(But I have a calc test next week that I need to study for so uh, feel free to disagree together without me.
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I don't think the thread comes too close to whining though, at least not for me, but at the same time I also agree that it's too easy to just post links and not comment on them at all, and it's also all too easy to just throw the blame at the feet of the industry. There are people out there buying this stuff in droves, and some of us buy makeup because it's fun and we like to use it to express ourselves or accentuate what we feel is the best thing about our faces to hide the little flaws that we know everyone has, etc. but there are a lot of women out there who buy it because they're insecure and they don't understand airbrushing. Did the media cause their insecurity, or did the media just exacerbate insecurity that was already there? And do those women realize they have a choice in the matter, or are they too wrapped up in the hype to notice? It's a chicken/egg sort of situation, which came first, the customers or the propaganda aimed at making them insecure and dependent on the product, buuuuut it's definitely worth discussing for as long as it takes to tame the beauty industry beast that we've wrought, because there'll always be new generations who so desperately need the reality check, and some of them will take it and some will ignore it, and that's their own damn fault.
People have a choice too though, and I agree with Shimmer there, although I do think once you've gone past a certain point of insecurity and media saturation without positive influences to counteract it, that choice is nigh impossible to see. Obviously we're not all slaves to the industry, despite all our addiction jokes. I had REALLY tremendously low self-esteem as a teenager, and I've managed to get by without developing an eating disorder, so considering both me and the hypothetical anorexic sitting next to me probably both get exposure to the same magazines and celebrities, there's something different between the two of us that made me a bit out of shape (hi, tummy pudge!) but otherwise healthy and her into a raging anorexic.
We do need to attack the industry that's doing this to women (and men, more and more), but as Shimmer pointed out, talking on here isn't going to affect them, it's helping the women you know in your life and making an impact on the incriminating companies' wallets that will. It's getting people to stop buying into the hype that'll make the hype wilt away, regardless of who started it. Can it be done? I dunno. I really hope so, but I dunno. But it's worth discussing, and it's worth disagreeing over, IMO.
(But I have a calc test next week that I need to study for so uh, feel free to disagree together without me.
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| Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
"I don't like the topic because it teeters perilously close, in my mind, to whining." Between this comment and the little horse drug up by Trunk Monkey, the thread is all yours now. I don't beat horses. I am sorry that you didn't see any benefit to the post.
I am off to other posts. |
I saw your intention. It's clear. I know I am not the only person who derived benefits from your links....oh, & also from your posts. Thanks
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Thanks for all the great info you have provided. Though I haven't stated my thoughts, it is important to see what is out there.
| Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
My intention of this thread is to go against the "Hollywood" or "Westernized" image. To help illustrate the point, I gave examples & data. I am always happy to give more examples and data.
To me, a state of being informed & to bring awareness is not the same as " being worried". |
Thanks for all the great info you have provided. Though I haven't stated my thoughts, it is important to see what is out there.
