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WOC can be beautiful & curvalicious, but not white chicks
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I was told by an older Chinese lady that I don't look Asian because of my weight. Once I lose weight, then I'll look very Asian.
EXCUSE ME???????
My mom's side is small and short, while my dad's side is thicker and tall. I got the short gene from my mom and the thick gene from my dad. Yes, I am trying to lose weigh to be healthy, but why can't I be thicker AND still look Asian?
Even my own mother has told me that I look hispanic cuz my butt's so big. Excuse YOU for procreating with YOUR husband to create a big booty baby.
Anyhow.. HEALTHY girls should be embraced, no matter her size or ethnicity. It is soo unfortunate that a lot of guys nowadays are looking for girls with bodies of a 7 year old boy, but with 2 bouncing balls in the front and 1 in the back.
AND, I don't understand why they call Giselle "curvy"?? Someone, please explain that to me.
EXCUSE ME???????
My mom's side is small and short, while my dad's side is thicker and tall. I got the short gene from my mom and the thick gene from my dad. Yes, I am trying to lose weigh to be healthy, but why can't I be thicker AND still look Asian?
Even my own mother has told me that I look hispanic cuz my butt's so big. Excuse YOU for procreating with YOUR husband to create a big booty baby.
Anyhow.. HEALTHY girls should be embraced, no matter her size or ethnicity. It is soo unfortunate that a lot of guys nowadays are looking for girls with bodies of a 7 year old boy, but with 2 bouncing balls in the front and 1 in the back.
AND, I don't understand why they call Giselle "curvy"?? Someone, please explain that to me.
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First of all, you're right about the inaccuracies of BMI. A height/weight chart, while it can determine body mass index, cannot distinguish between fat, muscle, bone and water. A much more accurate indicator is the percentage of body fat, which can be done with calipers testing the thickness of skin folds at areas such as the belly and beneath the upper arms or by dunking a person in a special tank to see how he/she sinks or floats. And thin people can be fat---that is, they may not have much infrastructure---muscles and bones---but they do carry a higher proportion of fat than someone the same size who may weigh more but is muscular.
That makes me so sad about your friend. Unrealistic cultural expectations of what makes a woman beautiful are so harmful---no matter what the culture may be. Why can't society embrace differences---not only between the races but individual differences as well?
Last year, a Vietnamese student invited my DH and me to a Vietnamese New Year celebration on campus. There was this one Asian woman who was tall, beautiful, gorgeous face and figure---and her Caucasian boyfriend obviously looked like a man who'd thought he'd won the girlfriend lottery. There's an Asian girl in my son's high school who's like a younger version of that college student---so beautiful! I would hate to see either of these lovely ladies feel ashamed because of their wonderful, willowy height.
Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
BMI isn't a great means of measuring your health. Many athletes will be considered overweight because of the muscle factor. Another problem with the stereotypes is that WOC sometimes believe they aren't "___" enough because they don't have round bottoms, huge breasts, etc. A friend of mine (Asian) believes she isn't beautiful, because she is quite tall for a woman. She is pretty, but because of her family believing that Asians should be short, she does not find herself very pretty. Some women, regardless of race, are simply not meant to be certain things. |
First of all, you're right about the inaccuracies of BMI. A height/weight chart, while it can determine body mass index, cannot distinguish between fat, muscle, bone and water. A much more accurate indicator is the percentage of body fat, which can be done with calipers testing the thickness of skin folds at areas such as the belly and beneath the upper arms or by dunking a person in a special tank to see how he/she sinks or floats. And thin people can be fat---that is, they may not have much infrastructure---muscles and bones---but they do carry a higher proportion of fat than someone the same size who may weigh more but is muscular.
That makes me so sad about your friend. Unrealistic cultural expectations of what makes a woman beautiful are so harmful---no matter what the culture may be. Why can't society embrace differences---not only between the races but individual differences as well?
Last year, a Vietnamese student invited my DH and me to a Vietnamese New Year celebration on campus. There was this one Asian woman who was tall, beautiful, gorgeous face and figure---and her Caucasian boyfriend obviously looked like a man who'd thought he'd won the girlfriend lottery. There's an Asian girl in my son's high school who's like a younger version of that college student---so beautiful! I would hate to see either of these lovely ladies feel ashamed because of their wonderful, willowy height.
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Ha, that is kind of funny, you don't look asian because you weigh more than a typical asian person would? That is pretty ridiculous.
In my experience guys like girls with a little padding on them. It must be a younger generation that prefer tiny skinny girls.
I was looking at Giselle's stats on Wikipedia. It says she weighs 128 pounds at 5'11. That is alot of weight if you are a supermodel even if you are tall. Sad but true, I looked at her picture and she has no butt just like me! 128 pounds for her height is really skinny actually. Who is choosing these models and encouraging them to be so thin anyway?
| Originally Posted by taiwanesegurl
I was told by an older Chinese lady that I don't look Asian because of my weight. Once I lose weight, then I'll look very Asian. EXCUSE ME??????? My mom's side is small and short, while my dad's side is thicker and tall. I got the short gene from my mom and the thick gene from my dad. Yes, I am trying to lose weigh to be healthy, but why can't I be thicker AND still look Asian? Even my own mother has told me that I look hispanic cuz my butt's so big. Excuse YOU for procreating with YOUR husband to create a big booty baby. Anyhow.. HEALTHY girls should be embraced, no matter her size or ethnicity. It is soo unfortunate that a lot of guys nowadays are looking for girls with bodies of a 7 year old boy, but with 2 bouncing balls in the front and 1 in the back. AND, I don't understand why they call Giselle "curvy"?? Someone, please explain that to me. |
Ha, that is kind of funny, you don't look asian because you weigh more than a typical asian person would? That is pretty ridiculous.
In my experience guys like girls with a little padding on them. It must be a younger generation that prefer tiny skinny girls.
I was looking at Giselle's stats on Wikipedia. It says she weighs 128 pounds at 5'11. That is alot of weight if you are a supermodel even if you are tall. Sad but true, I looked at her picture and she has no butt just like me! 128 pounds for her height is really skinny actually. Who is choosing these models and encouraging them to be so thin anyway?
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I don't know anyone that skinny.
| Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
Giselle (Back view) http://femininebeauty.info/images/gisele.bundchen.9.jpg Karolina Kukova (back view) http://femininebeauty.info/images/ka....kurkova.2.jpg |
I don't know anyone that skinny.
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Not being a woman of color I really can't speak to cultural differences from that experience, but I can say that my curves have tended to appeal to black and hispanic men much more than white guys. When I was in college I was attractive, and much thinner than I am now, but I rarely got approached by men my age at clubs or bars. When I was young the ideal body type was androgynous (this was the 80's after all) and I never fit that mold (I've always had booty, even when I was little). On the other hand I was frequently approached by unknown black guys asking me out, all the time! One aquaintance at an old job said my husband was an honorary black guy because he obviously appreciated my "juicy curves". I think that definately shows a cultural difference in what males of different cultures like.
I wish we could come to a place where all women are appreciated for who they are, not what they look like. My hairdresser is a twig-woman, she's very skinny naturally, she doesn't work at it. She is an incredibly radiant and beautiful woman but not because she's thin, but because she's confident and loves herself for who she is, not what she looks like. Even so, in conversations she often will bemoan her lack of curves. I guess we all want what we don't have huh?
I wish we could come to a place where all women are appreciated for who they are, not what they look like. My hairdresser is a twig-woman, she's very skinny naturally, she doesn't work at it. She is an incredibly radiant and beautiful woman but not because she's thin, but because she's confident and loves herself for who she is, not what she looks like. Even so, in conversations she often will bemoan her lack of curves. I guess we all want what we don't have huh?
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i dont see why people think kims had surgery? i was reading some cmments on those links and some people sound sooo jealous!! yes the pictures look different but to be honest sometimes my ass looks like hers if i wore a tight fitted dress... and the pic of her in the jeans her ass looks flatter, yup mine can do that too!!! and her boobs look bigger... yup people grow dont they? nnot to mention my boobs can look tiny one day but if i wear a good push up bra and apply some bronzer in my cleavage they can look...BAM bigger in a second.
I think kim is a good role model because she has curves and she is still beautiful. All my bfs friends hate skinny girls, they love curves on girls and they seem to know whats fat and whats right...
i dont see why people think kims had surgery? i was reading some cmments on those links and some people sound sooo jealous!! yes the pictures look different but to be honest sometimes my ass looks like hers if i wore a tight fitted dress... and the pic of her in the jeans her ass looks flatter, yup mine can do that too!!! and her boobs look bigger... yup people grow dont they? nnot to mention my boobs can look tiny one day but if i wear a good push up bra and apply some bronzer in my cleavage they can look...BAM bigger in a second.
I think kim is a good role model because she has curves and she is still beautiful. All my bfs friends hate skinny girls, they love curves on girls and they seem to know whats fat and whats right...
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Salma Hayak's nose job is such a huge difference. She got lucky and it doesn't look bad. Nose jobs can be risky to someone's overall look. And its not surprising she's had her breasts done...she's near 40 and in Hollywood.
Wow Kim Kardashian has definitely had breast implants and butt implants. Just another example of someone unhappy with their bodies. Its sad so many people don't feel comfortable in their own skin.
Salma Hayak's nose job is such a huge difference. She got lucky and it doesn't look bad. Nose jobs can be risky to someone's overall look. And its not surprising she's had her breasts done...she's near 40 and in Hollywood.
Wow Kim Kardashian has definitely had breast implants and butt implants. Just another example of someone unhappy with their bodies. Its sad so many people don't feel comfortable in their own skin.
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4-8 is not normal size for an average, everyday woman. I've seen 8 as the average size for someone relatively in shape, and I've heard 12 as an overall female average nowadays with more people gaining more weight, so 8-12 would be more in the range of averages. Marilyn Monroe, using modern sizing and her measurements, comes out at about a US size 12, and I dare someone to tell me she was fatter than average.
There are plenty of women both above and below that, and not all big girls are overeating and not all tiny girls are anorexic, and everyone has a healthy size that's different than another person's, but just because Hollywood collects the petites together in a big room and shows them off, it does not make their sizes the average. Also, a startling number of actors are TINY overall. They don't look it on TV (and I'm sure that's intentional), but so many of them are. I've been to costuming displays featuring actors' clothing and the vast majority of them look like elf clothes or clothes made for little kids for dress-up. Heath Ledger's (RIP) was just about the only normal-sized costume I saw of the display I last saw.
You can LIKE the really really thin look, just as many people can like the really really hourglass look or the really really fat look or the average look, but your aesthetic preferences are not the same thing as the averages; too many people make that assumption for my liking.
| Originally Posted by NYDoll88
Most are pretty normal sized, a 4-8 (or in Beyonce's case...a 10) |
4-8 is not normal size for an average, everyday woman. I've seen 8 as the average size for someone relatively in shape, and I've heard 12 as an overall female average nowadays with more people gaining more weight, so 8-12 would be more in the range of averages. Marilyn Monroe, using modern sizing and her measurements, comes out at about a US size 12, and I dare someone to tell me she was fatter than average.
There are plenty of women both above and below that, and not all big girls are overeating and not all tiny girls are anorexic, and everyone has a healthy size that's different than another person's, but just because Hollywood collects the petites together in a big room and shows them off, it does not make their sizes the average. Also, a startling number of actors are TINY overall. They don't look it on TV (and I'm sure that's intentional), but so many of them are. I've been to costuming displays featuring actors' clothing and the vast majority of them look like elf clothes or clothes made for little kids for dress-up. Heath Ledger's (RIP) was just about the only normal-sized costume I saw of the display I last saw.
You can LIKE the really really thin look, just as many people can like the really really hourglass look or the really really fat look or the average look, but your aesthetic preferences are not the same thing as the averages; too many people make that assumption for my liking.
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I personally feel it just relates to the general ideal body image of the culture, I also think that certain races are more prone to gaining weight in certain areas as opposed to others so that can distort the acceptance of when one gains weight. I'm personally all for curves but still prefer a slimmer body type (so slim but curvy). In regards to Kim K I'm still voting butt pads over surgery but that's another thread.
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I respectfully disagree with you. Take Teri Hatcher for example. She's a beautiful woman, but when she starred in Lois and Clark she was drop dead gorgeous. Still slim, but she had a bit more meat and she had curves. She was sexy and sparkled with life. Now she looks gaunt, tired and unwell. She's still lovely but she's literally a shadow of her former self. (Do you think the desperate housewife is desperate for a meal?)
Look at what celebrities have to do in order to stay unnaturally thin. Many starve themselves or go on one fad diet after another. Some take drugs, prescription and illegal. Last year there was an article in Allure about celebrities using horse tranquilizers in order to lose weight! Celebrities have liposuction---Tara Reid, anyone? And when they do appear in print, they're often photoshopped beyond recognition. Remember how outraged Kate Winslet was when a magazine photoshopped her cover picture and made her look considerably thinner than she is?
BTW, Kate Winslet was totally luscious in Titanic and she tried to buck Hollywood pressures and hang onto her curves. But even she succumbed and lost weight, although thankfully she is not model-slim.
On the flip side, look at Oprah. She's an amazingly accomplished woman not only in the entertainment industry but also in her efforts to better our world. She's also stunningly beautiful. But what do people focus on? Her weight. She gains an ounce and it's all over the tabloids. Oprah has struggled with her weight for years---when she loses, she's applauded and when she gains, she's criticized. Oprah is not built to be a waif---she's a woman of size and she looks good the way she is. I think she also looks fine when she's thinner and she looks fine when she's heavier. I wonder, when she wakes up in the morning and looks at herself in the mirror, does she tell herself she's beautiful or does she say, "Eeeeeuuuuwwww, I'm fat"?
Now, these black guys and Latino guys who appreciate your figure---maybe they're onto something the white guys are overlooking. Have you ever thought that maybe they hit on you because they see something beautiful about you---not just your figure but maybe the whole package? And your friend who says you have a great body---she's not sick, she's being honest. You know, what makes a woman's figure attractive is not necessarily the size but the proportion: studies have shown that a waist: hip ratio of 70%, no matter what the size of the woman's body, is most universally attractive to men regardless of cultural/ethnic background. So you may be larger than a supermodel but still have a nice figure because your proportions are pleasing.
Please, try to look at yourself through your friend's eyes and you may like what you see.
| Originally Posted by NYDoll88
Third of all, I find it also funny that they only featured 3 people. Just goes to show that this whole "HOLLYWOOD SKINNY STANDARDS!!!!!!!!!!!" is a bunch of bull. I hardly see any celebrities that are skinny. Most are pretty normal sized, a 4-8 (or in Beyonce's case...a 10). By reading a lot of the posts on here, you girls have proven that you all idolize the "healthy" body image, whether it be toned abs and arms or curvy stomaches with big butts and big boobs. I think I have been the only person on here who actually really loves the stick-thin look. So I really hate it when people say that society's standards are too thin, because it's really not true at all. Most people I know think Jessica Alba has a perfect body. She's probably a size 6 and has really prominent abs and really muscular arms. No one has ever accused her of being too skinny. So I don't get where that whole thing is coming from. Edit 2: Okay, now I see what the post is really about. I definately think black people favor "curves" over white people. I'm pretty fat, and I've never had a white guy hit on me. It's always black guys, even Latin guys. Also...no one has ever told me I had a nice body except for this one black girl I'm friends with. One day we were walking and she goes "I wish I had your body!" I stopped in my tracks and I was like WHAT!!?!? She's all "You have curves in all the right places!!". It was sick. |
I respectfully disagree with you. Take Teri Hatcher for example. She's a beautiful woman, but when she starred in Lois and Clark she was drop dead gorgeous. Still slim, but she had a bit more meat and she had curves. She was sexy and sparkled with life. Now she looks gaunt, tired and unwell. She's still lovely but she's literally a shadow of her former self. (Do you think the desperate housewife is desperate for a meal?)
Look at what celebrities have to do in order to stay unnaturally thin. Many starve themselves or go on one fad diet after another. Some take drugs, prescription and illegal. Last year there was an article in Allure about celebrities using horse tranquilizers in order to lose weight! Celebrities have liposuction---Tara Reid, anyone? And when they do appear in print, they're often photoshopped beyond recognition. Remember how outraged Kate Winslet was when a magazine photoshopped her cover picture and made her look considerably thinner than she is?
BTW, Kate Winslet was totally luscious in Titanic and she tried to buck Hollywood pressures and hang onto her curves. But even she succumbed and lost weight, although thankfully she is not model-slim.
On the flip side, look at Oprah. She's an amazingly accomplished woman not only in the entertainment industry but also in her efforts to better our world. She's also stunningly beautiful. But what do people focus on? Her weight. She gains an ounce and it's all over the tabloids. Oprah has struggled with her weight for years---when she loses, she's applauded and when she gains, she's criticized. Oprah is not built to be a waif---she's a woman of size and she looks good the way she is. I think she also looks fine when she's thinner and she looks fine when she's heavier. I wonder, when she wakes up in the morning and looks at herself in the mirror, does she tell herself she's beautiful or does she say, "Eeeeeuuuuwwww, I'm fat"?
Now, these black guys and Latino guys who appreciate your figure---maybe they're onto something the white guys are overlooking. Have you ever thought that maybe they hit on you because they see something beautiful about you---not just your figure but maybe the whole package? And your friend who says you have a great body---she's not sick, she's being honest. You know, what makes a woman's figure attractive is not necessarily the size but the proportion: studies have shown that a waist: hip ratio of 70%, no matter what the size of the woman's body, is most universally attractive to men regardless of cultural/ethnic background. So you may be larger than a supermodel but still have a nice figure because your proportions are pleasing.
Please, try to look at yourself through your friend's eyes and you may like what you see.
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i hate that "too skinny" thing...there's these things called metabolisms, and yes they can be extremely quick and a woman heidi's height can healthily be heidi's weight. it's so damn frustrating when people automatically think something is wrong with a chick because she's thin because that isn't always the case.
but back to the original topic at hand: i really don't think that the whole race thing would be an issue at all in society if people didn't keep making it one. if nobody stood there and told you that black men like curves, you wouldn't think it and it probably wouldn't seem so prevalent. just like if nobody ever told you white girls can't be curvy, you'd never notice it. but if the media tells you...then goddamn, they must be right!
but back to the original topic at hand: i really don't think that the whole race thing would be an issue at all in society if people didn't keep making it one. if nobody stood there and told you that black men like curves, you wouldn't think it and it probably wouldn't seem so prevalent. just like if nobody ever told you white girls can't be curvy, you'd never notice it. but if the media tells you...then goddamn, they must be right!
