2008 Presidential election - poll

[ShugAvery2001]

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Originally Posted by kimmy i will agree however, that he is just another fire and brimstone preacher. i have never, and will never, agree with that kind of preaching. plenty of preachers have indeed called for the judgement, and sometimes persecution, of america as a whole and i do not appreciate that. i'm not saying he's the worst of them, either. i personally feel though, that someone who claims such great allegiance to the country that are the best candidate to run it, should not have tolerated such calls for judgement.

Kimmy.. you dooo understand that you're referring to the very 'base' of the republican party right.. Not only the preachers but their followers make up the republican base. Not even outside of religion .. what about Palins affiliation with Alaskan Independence Party. No calls for God's judgment there.. just plain old contempt for the U.S

YouTube - Sarah Palin and Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)

Now none of that really made a difference to me..

 

[kimmy]

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Originally Posted by ShugAvery2001 Kimmy.. you dooo understand that you're referring to the very 'base' of the republican party right.. Not only the preachers but their followers make up the republican base. Not even outside of religion .. what about Palins affiliation with Alaskan Independence Party. No calls for God's judgment there.. just plain old contempt for the U.S YouTube - Sarah Palin and Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) Now none of that really made a difference to me..

i never said i agreed with palin's affiliations, either.

 

[NutMeg]

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Originally Posted by BohemianSheila There isn't another group of people that I can specifically call to accountability on that end.

I was going to, and for the most part still intend to stay out of this conversation. One because I'm not an American, and two I'm less than thrilled with the tone of this thread. But in response to this question, how about the obvious group of people who should be accountable? Humanity.

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by NutMeg I was going to, and for the most part still intend to stay out of this conversation. One because I'm not an American, and two I'm less than thrilled with the tone of this thread. But in response to this question, how about the obvious group of people who should be accountable? Humanity.

I'm the absolute last person that usually gets in on backing up religious people, I'm a dyed in the wool agnostic. But I get where she's going with this. As a member of a group that she belongs to, with a very specific membership criteria - Christianity - I'd say she probably doesn't feel comfortable applying that accountability to a broader group because she's talking very specifically about principles from the Bible.

 

[NutMeg]

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^ I see your point, and I do see hers too. I just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[ShugAvery2001]

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer* 's not different, you're right. I'd also question the morals of someone who sat and listened to Pat Robertson spew hate and vitriol for 20 years. I'm just as uncomfortable with Obama's religious background as I am Palin's, tbh.

Stargazer.. I've been a christian all my life. I've listened to various pastors and watched 700 club and all that right. It's not fire and brimstone every sunday for 20 years... even if you would have heard the whole sermon from wright that sermon wasn't full of fire and brimstone... he was on bill moyers and they provided further context for that sermon. Pat roberston either.. they don't talk about hell and 'the gays' and the 'ACLU' and all the other evils they see in america every sunday. Nobody should think as a country we're perfect cause we're not. I don't care that robertson or wright they can criticize .. and be judgemental.. many posters here are critical and/or judgemental

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by ShugAvery2001 what about Palins affiliation with Alaskan Independence Party. No calls for God's judgment there.. just plain old contempt for the U.S

Factcheck has debunked some of the stuff in that video.

 

[ShugAvery2001]

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Originally Posted by NutMeg I was going to, and for the most part still intend to stay out of this conversation. One because I'm not an American, and two I'm less than thrilled with the tone of this thread. But in response to this question, how about the obvious group of people who should be accountable? Humanity.

GO CANADA

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by ShugAvery2001 many posters here are critical and/or judgemental

The difference being that 99.99 percent of the posters here don't have a captive audience that looks to them for moral and spiritual guidance.

 

[ShugAvery2001]

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer* Factcheck has debunked some of the stuff in that video.

what 'some' though? The some about the leader and what he said about the US, the some about her husband being a member a few years ago, or the some about her addressing their convention in 08?

And .. this is also why i try to focus on the issues that matter to me ... cause all this other stuff is really hearsay and taking stuff out of context. I could give a crap less about the Alaskan Independence party to be honest or the witch doctor ..or the whole alaska being a 'refuge' for the 'lower 48' when the apocalypse happens. that was more comedy for me than anything.. because on just about EVERY major issue I disagree with their platform.

 

[BohemianSheila]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127 Voting and the Presidential Election is about making changes in Government...Not about Christianity....Also I do believe that is what this thread was about unless I am mistaken...This thread was not about Bible Studies and what we feel the responsibilities of the Churches are. But please feel free to correct me if I am wrong by all means.

There was a segment of the thread that was specifically about how our government chooses to spend our resources and I was speaking to that portion of the discussion. You can take or leave what I say. I'm not talking about people converting to Christianity, I'm not talking about people joining a Bible Study. I'm not talking about converting people to my belief system. I'm talking about people who have a belief system already instilled in them being a resource and being of service.

It's no different than any group of people who meet together through some shared belief system. I'm not asking Christians to take over the government, I'm just suggesting that some of the tax burdens can be alleviated if we have a radical movement in people's lives not to be so concerned with themselves and with their own situations but to think about others. The reason I mention the Christian church specifically is that they have a belief system that calls them to serve the community. A calling will bring change more profoundly than a whim. Whims are temporary and emotional and once it becomes "not fun" or "inconvenient" you move onto another whim. With a calling, you stick it out, even when it gets hard.

Heck, if anyone has a calling to be of service to others - that's great. That's what I'm talking about. I'm just using a specific example of a large group of people that can be tapped into.

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by ShugAvery2001 what 'some' though? The some about the leader and what he said about the US, the some about her husband being a member a few years ago, or the some about her addressing their convention in 08?

These parts.

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The party's chair originally told reporters that Palin had been a member, but the official later retracted that statement. Chairwoman Lynette Clark told the New York Times that false information had been given to her by another member of the party after she first told the Times and others that Palin joined the AIP in 1994. Clark issued an apology on the AIP Web site. The director of Alaska’s Division of Elections, Gail Fenumiai, confirms that Palin registered to vote in the state for the first time in May 1982 as a Republican and hasn’t changed her party affiliation since. She also told FactCheck.org that Palin’s husband, Todd, was registered with AIP from October 1995 to July 2000, and again from September 2000 until July 2002. (He has since been registered as undeclared.) However, the AIP says Todd Palin "never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time."

 

[honyd]

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Originally Posted by aleksis210 I'm glad someone finally brought this up! "That hate hadn't gone away"...."white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives." Barack Obama from Dreams Of My Father "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out, many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs. . . It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names" Barack Obama from Dreams of My Father "I found solice in nursing a pervasive sense of grievancee and animosity against my mother's race" Barack Obama from Dreams of My Father I've found these on the internet and I sure hope that they are misworded because if not that's very scary...oh and didn't he call his grandmother or something a 'typical white person'...ouch

I have to agree here. I read these things and it is very scary to think that this may be our future. We all dont know what the truth really is or what our future will hold with either one of these men... but what i do kno is that when u have represenatives saulting the flag and the person who is running for our country cannot even put his hand over his heart in honor...that is a little scary!!! Futhermore i agree with elegant one... i am not rich nor make close to 250... but y should people making a great living (if honest one) be taxed outrageously!! Take the money back from the scum bankers and thoes who pay themselves millions for a months work..... or get millions in severance packages for a few months work!! now that should be taxed to the hill!! But imo this country needs change and it is up to us to do the right thing. wE CAN NOT LET WHOMEVER WINS TAKE OUR COUNTRY DOWN ANY FURTHER.

 

[rbella]

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Originally Posted by Janice Ladies/Gents - I have no patience for babysitting adults. Be kind to others, Keep it clean.

Janice,
Are we there yet? I need to go to the bathroom.

Thanks,
Rbella

 

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by aleksis210 They are just following the hype...does that answer your question?

Wow! Aleksis I can't believe that came out of your thoughts...Not like you at all...

 

[ShugAvery2001]

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer* These parts.

yeah that's what i heard .. that it was Todd who was the member.

As far as having a captive audience .. i think people expressed their biased view to their kids and their friends and family. And then there's the history.. like no matter what.. america(ns) will never trust Russia .. why .. because they're so intimate with russian politics .. nope.. it's because of that long history of conflict. America's racial history isn't much different. I mean the issue is still alive and kicking in various parts of the country. Thank god i live in chicago.. ONE OF THE MOST SEGREGATED CITIES IN AMERICA .. WOO HOOOO

I'm not a big kool aid drinker for religion or politicians. I think people shouldn't be blind followers. That's what I teach my kids.. to question everything and to never drink anybodies kool aid

 

[BohemianSheila]

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Originally Posted by NutMeg I was going to, and for the most part still intend to stay out of this conversation. One because I'm not an American, and two I'm less than thrilled with the tone of this thread. But in response to this question, how about the obvious group of people who should be accountable? Humanity.

Yes, of course we would like to call Humanity to accountability, but where is the commonality of belief. Where do we say "this is how you treat people because of this thing you purport to believe"? We can ask them out of the goodness of their soul, but where is it written somewhere that they need to have a goodness of soul. I would love to say - if all humans would take care of people like they're supposed to..... However, there isn't a constitutional amendment or government document that requires them to take care of others and love people, etc. (and if there were I would vote against it because it's not the government's job to regulate our conscience.) That is the only reason why I specifically am saying Christians. If there are other belief systems that call people to service and love, absolutely add them to the list. The more the merrier. I am just bringing a specific example.

 

[BohemianSheila]

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer* I'm the absolute last person that usually gets in on backing up religious people, I'm a dyed in the wool agnostic. But I get where she's going with this. As a member of a group that she belongs to, with a very specific membership criteria - Christianity - I'd say she probably doesn't feel comfortable applying that accountability to a broader group because she's talking very specifically about principles from the Bible.

Thank you for this - this is exactly the perspective I am speaking from.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by rbella Janice, Are we there yet? I need to go to the bathroom. Thanks, Rbella

He's TOUCHING MEEEE!!!
Get back on your side!
JAAAAANNNIIIIIIICCCCEEEE!!!

 

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by rbella Janice, Are we there yet? I need to go to the bathroom. Thanks, Rbella

I think you can go...and still be able to catch up