Does this offend you?
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captodometer
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European portion of the war ended in May; US/Japan kept going until the atomic bombs in August.
Originally Posted by Susanne
Sept 1st 1939 - May 8th 1945 |
European portion of the war ended in May; US/Japan kept going until the atomic bombs in August.
ratmist
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This is all very true. No one's said, "You must take it down". You did say in a respectful manner that Astronaut should consider taking the image down.
I'm not objecting to your posts, Captodometer. I'm objecting to people who are clearly using their opinions about war as an excuse to bash those of us that aren't sharing their stance.
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And I've said this in the thread as well, and I completely agree.
What I don't agree to is this:
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So we must never mention or satire the war, make fun of it, or in any way be anything other than strictly serious about it. And if we do, this makes us, what?
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It makes us (human beings) careless and somehow contributes to an emotional matrix in the world that will allow us to repeat the same mistakes.
I really disagree.
To quote Stephen Fry: 'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?'
Seriously, some people may be offended by the OP's original statement that people should get the fuck over it.
I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with her feeling that way, but I do think she's naive to have thought no one would be offended.
However, people seem to be objecting with the idea that they have the right NOT to be offended when they're on the internet. They have a right not to see an image of Hitler in drag makeup. Sorry, but that's just not the case. You open the internet, you takes what you gets. You can get mad and upset and whatnot, and if you don't like what you see, you can close your browser window. In other words, get over it.
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I personally try not to decide on people via cyberspace. People often act entirely differently in real life than they do on the web. It brings out the extremes in people. It makes people confrontational when in real life they're shrinking violets. In general, using the internet to gauge who someone is on a userboard is a recipe for disaster. All you end up doing is making assumptions, which, as the saying goes, makes an ass out of you and me.
| Originally Posted by captodometer
???? I don't recall anyone actually telling Astronaut to take the picture down. Everyone pretty much seems to think that she has the right to post it: a sizeable minority think it's funny, and it seems to be be equally split between those who think it's blatantly offensive and those who aren't personally offended but could understand why others would be. A lot of people also seem to think that she should give some serious consideration as to why she chose to post it, especially in light of the fact that she seems bothered by some of the criticism she is receiving. |
This is all very true. No one's said, "You must take it down". You did say in a respectful manner that Astronaut should consider taking the image down.
I'm not objecting to your posts, Captodometer. I'm objecting to people who are clearly using their opinions about war as an excuse to bash those of us that aren't sharing their stance.
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| Originally Posted by captodometer
Astronaut started this thread by telling people who didn't like her picture(the people who didn't act the way she thought they should act)to "chill the f**k out." Tactless, whether you like the picture or not. But she stated her opinion, to which she is entitled. But everyone who disagrees with her, for whatever reason, is also just as entitled to their own opinion. |
And I've said this in the thread as well, and I completely agree.
What I don't agree to is this:
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| Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
Review the actual footage of what all he was doing and his men. Look at all the people who he was actually killing and the unspeakable methods. Go to the concentration camps. Talk to war veterans. Talk to the victims that escaped or those that lost loved ones from this. Go to the cemeteries too. Then, you may see how people are not looking at this in the same light as you. "Why so serious?" Hilter was real and not a fictitious killer Joker character stating that question in the Batman movie. If this man got to the power that he wanted, you and I may not be even having this conversation today. That's serious enough for me. |
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| Originally Posted by Cinci
I don't find it funny at all. You may be showing a lack of respect for him by showing him in makeup, but you are also showing a lack of respect for those affected by him as things like this arent something that should be joked about. |
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| Originally Posted by Susanne
Oh my God, you have no idea what was really going on!! You can't make fun of these "actions". There is NOTHING to laugh about. It would be naive to reduce reality by making fun of it. |
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| Originally Posted by bgajon
If we start seeing this kind of pictures as OK or cute we'll certainly forget the horrors lived and we'll let them happen again. I don't mean to be mean to you but that pic and this post opens up a lot of opinions and I hope you start viewing history as something very real and that can be repeated if not taken with the appropriate seriousness not to mention with consideration to the people who have suffered by it. Hope you are OK and please post the picture or take it off only if you your consciousness is OK with it. |
So we must never mention or satire the war, make fun of it, or in any way be anything other than strictly serious about it. And if we do, this makes us, what?
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| Originally Posted by Susanne
How easy people forget what they really have and how they have got it if they live in peace, freedom, prosperity and wealth. This carelessness is the matrix for dangerous ideologies. |
It makes us (human beings) careless and somehow contributes to an emotional matrix in the world that will allow us to repeat the same mistakes.
I really disagree.
To quote Stephen Fry: 'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?'
Seriously, some people may be offended by the OP's original statement that people should get the fuck over it.
I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with her feeling that way, but I do think she's naive to have thought no one would be offended.
However, people seem to be objecting with the idea that they have the right NOT to be offended when they're on the internet. They have a right not to see an image of Hitler in drag makeup. Sorry, but that's just not the case. You open the internet, you takes what you gets. You can get mad and upset and whatnot, and if you don't like what you see, you can close your browser window. In other words, get over it.
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| Originally Posted by captodometer
Ratmist, I think this response pretty much hits it on the head in relationship to your second statement. Most of the posts in this thread have been fairly constructive. But in my opinion, there have also been an unsettling number that kind of go something like: "I know Hitler was bad but it was in the past. And I know it still upsets people but I don't care because I'm entitled to say and do whatever I want to." A valid viewpoint, but not a very nice one as it could be construed as lacking in empathy and compassion for the rest of humanity. It does give reason to wonder about what kind of person the poster is. Most of us posting have never actually met and probably never will; there's nothing to go on other than what's been posted. I won't speak for anyone else, but I would want to try and give the poster benefit of the doubt by assuming they are ignorant/young/uninformed, etc instead of intentionally trying to be objectionable. |
I personally try not to decide on people via cyberspace. People often act entirely differently in real life than they do on the web. It brings out the extremes in people. It makes people confrontational when in real life they're shrinking violets. In general, using the internet to gauge who someone is on a userboard is a recipe for disaster. All you end up doing is making assumptions, which, as the saying goes, makes an ass out of you and me.
ratmist
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I took it from the day the Japanese surrendered, in August. It's valid.
| Originally Posted by Susanne
Sept 1st 1939 - May 8th 1945 |
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| Originally Posted by captodometer
European portion of the war ended in May; US/Japan kept going until the atomic bombs in August. |
I took it from the day the Japanese surrendered, in August. It's valid.
Angel Of Moon
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look.. i think its a cool photo tho,
but i found this a little bit offend...
i dont know, maybe beacuse im jewish and israeli i raised to hate this man and its kinda wierd for me to see a person who putt his picture as profile picture....
but i understand u just like the idea of that,
i think if you like it - keep it
its good you explaind yourself cuz if i was see it without knowing what u said, i was really pissed off
bye
but i found this a little bit offend...
i dont know, maybe beacuse im jewish and israeli i raised to hate this man and its kinda wierd for me to see a person who putt his picture as profile picture....
but i understand u just like the idea of that,
i think if you like it - keep it
its good you explaind yourself cuz if i was see it without knowing what u said, i was really pissed off
bye
ratmist
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Yes, but the whole reason I posted the dates was to point out that someone's incredibly rude criticism of another person's opinion of the war was in fact totally, ironically, incorrect.
And if we're talking about dates of Hitler's dictatorship, I'd say that's from:
23 March 1933 (the Enabling Act) - 30 April 1945, when he killed himself. I mean, if you want to get technical, that's when his regime ended, though part of his military had already surrendered on 29th April (Instrument of Local Surrender of German and Other Forces Under the Command or Control of the German Commander-In-Chief Southwest) and the signing of the German Instrument of Surrender wasn't until 7th May, which went into effect from 2301 hours Central European time on 8 May, 1945.
But the war went on elsewhere, because it was in fact, a world war. To me, one should always include the days up until the Japanese surrender. It wasn't just a war fought in Europe.
| Originally Posted by Susanne
I know. I was just to mention that Hitler's totalitarian dictatorship ended officially May 8th 1945. A picture of him has been the beginning of this thread. |
Yes, but the whole reason I posted the dates was to point out that someone's incredibly rude criticism of another person's opinion of the war was in fact totally, ironically, incorrect.
And if we're talking about dates of Hitler's dictatorship, I'd say that's from:
23 March 1933 (the Enabling Act) - 30 April 1945, when he killed himself. I mean, if you want to get technical, that's when his regime ended, though part of his military had already surrendered on 29th April (Instrument of Local Surrender of German and Other Forces Under the Command or Control of the German Commander-In-Chief Southwest) and the signing of the German Instrument of Surrender wasn't until 7th May, which went into effect from 2301 hours Central European time on 8 May, 1945.
But the war went on elsewhere, because it was in fact, a world war. To me, one should always include the days up until the Japanese surrender. It wasn't just a war fought in Europe.
captodometer
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That could be another "deep thoughts" thread altogether
But I politely beg to differ.
I think people pretty much say what they were actually thinking when they post online. Shrinking violets say the things they don't have the stones to say in real life, and the rest of us say the things that we were going to say anyway
Anything that you say in real life is pretty much hearsay unless it was recorded, and most of us don't have a potential audience of millions. But anything you write down or post online is there forever for all present and future generations to judge you by. Cyberspace is a social interaction, although not an actual physical one. It's not humanly possible to meet and interact with someone without forming an opinion of some kind.
| Originally Posted by ratmist
I personally try not to decide on people via cyberspace. People often act entirely differently in real life than they do on the web. It brings out the extremes in people. It makes people confrontational when in real life they're shrinking violets. In general, using the internet to gauge who someone is on a userboard is a recipe for disaster. All you end up doing is making assumptions, which, as the saying goes, makes an ass out of you and me. |
That could be another "deep thoughts" thread altogether
I think people pretty much say what they were actually thinking when they post online. Shrinking violets say the things they don't have the stones to say in real life, and the rest of us say the things that we were going to say anyway
Anything that you say in real life is pretty much hearsay unless it was recorded, and most of us don't have a potential audience of millions. But anything you write down or post online is there forever for all present and future generations to judge you by. Cyberspace is a social interaction, although not an actual physical one. It's not humanly possible to meet and interact with someone without forming an opinion of some kind.
Nadeshda
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The Holy Inquisition was centuries ago and we still talk about it, how desumane and horrible it was. People were tortured using the most incredible devices, people were burned alive in front of crowds... Just because it was a long time ago and we are less emotionally connected to it because we didn't live through it, doesn't make it any less relevant... events like these should never ever lose their relevance, they should remember us exactly how dark the human nature can be, to prevent us from falling into such things again.
On the topic, I personally don't feel offended by it, but then again, I didn't live through WWII, and no one in my family was affected by it (our crazy dictator at the time somehow managed to keep us out of the war - probably the only good thing he did). If I had experienced it first hand, or my loved ones had been affected by it, probably my feelings would be different. Just because you can giggle when you see that picture, doesn't mean everyone can, or that everyone should. They are intitled to their opinion, just as you are intitled to yours. When you mess with a topic as this one, you can expect some backlash... when you play with fire, you can expect to be burned. TBH, if I had seen that avatar on your youtube profile, I'd probably have thought that you feel some affiliation towards Hitler and his ideas, and maybe that's what plenty of other people thought as well.
| Originally Posted by JULIA
It's amazing that so many are up in arms about this. "Hitler humour" is thriving, actually... And this is proof. With each new generation, Hitler becomes less imposing just as WWII becomes less relevant. I think making fun of this guy is the best way to break down his character. |
The Holy Inquisition was centuries ago and we still talk about it, how desumane and horrible it was. People were tortured using the most incredible devices, people were burned alive in front of crowds... Just because it was a long time ago and we are less emotionally connected to it because we didn't live through it, doesn't make it any less relevant... events like these should never ever lose their relevance, they should remember us exactly how dark the human nature can be, to prevent us from falling into such things again.
On the topic, I personally don't feel offended by it, but then again, I didn't live through WWII, and no one in my family was affected by it (our crazy dictator at the time somehow managed to keep us out of the war - probably the only good thing he did). If I had experienced it first hand, or my loved ones had been affected by it, probably my feelings would be different. Just because you can giggle when you see that picture, doesn't mean everyone can, or that everyone should. They are intitled to their opinion, just as you are intitled to yours. When you mess with a topic as this one, you can expect some backlash... when you play with fire, you can expect to be burned. TBH, if I had seen that avatar on your youtube profile, I'd probably have thought that you feel some affiliation towards Hitler and his ideas, and maybe that's what plenty of other people thought as well.
*KT*
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I think this is a good example of how humor (and art for that matter) can be highly subjective.
Many brilliant comedians wouldn't be brilliant comedians without the pain in their past, but it takes different amounts of time for different people to be able to poke fun at a subject.... and for some, certain topics will never be on the list of subjects that are acceptable to make jokes/satires/parodies.
IMO, to say that WWI has lost relevance is quite naive, especially when the world still has cult of personality dictators such as Kim Jong-il. The control of people, military, internet, entertainment, and overall censure of information that still exists in parts of the world makes me all too aware that the subject of WWII is just as relevant today as it was 50 years ago.
With that said, I'm going to go slightly off topic and take a moment to thank those Specktra members who have served or whose loved ones have served in the US military. I'm incredibly proud of my grandfather's naval service in WWII and try my best to remain conscious of the debts that can never be paid to those who serve(d) and those who have lost. It saddens me to think how we, as a country, often take them, and our freedoms, for granted.
Many brilliant comedians wouldn't be brilliant comedians without the pain in their past, but it takes different amounts of time for different people to be able to poke fun at a subject.... and for some, certain topics will never be on the list of subjects that are acceptable to make jokes/satires/parodies.
IMO, to say that WWI has lost relevance is quite naive, especially when the world still has cult of personality dictators such as Kim Jong-il. The control of people, military, internet, entertainment, and overall censure of information that still exists in parts of the world makes me all too aware that the subject of WWII is just as relevant today as it was 50 years ago.
With that said, I'm going to go slightly off topic and take a moment to thank those Specktra members who have served or whose loved ones have served in the US military. I'm incredibly proud of my grandfather's naval service in WWII and try my best to remain conscious of the debts that can never be paid to those who serve(d) and those who have lost. It saddens me to think how we, as a country, often take them, and our freedoms, for granted.
rbella
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To be honest, I find your responses interesting, to say the least. My posts where I am showing displeasure has nothing to do with the original poster. It has to do with people who say that what has happened in history is irrelevant. I would think that someone who was as outspoken as you in the prochoice/prolife thread would agree. Would you be this laid back if someone has said that Roe vs Wade was "irrelevant"? Based on your passionate arguments, I doubt it.
Also, I don't think that feeling vehemently about something puts you on a high horse. Once again, looking at your past arguments as well as current posts in this thread, I would think or at least hope that you'd agree.
I stand firmly by my statements that I wouldn't be rude or judge the original poster because she used the avatar. But, I do judge those who call WWII and the man who murdered and tortured a large part of my family ancestry "irrelevant". Sorry if you think that makes me "on a high horse".
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I'm not mis-reading it. You are mis-stating it. You have know clue where I have gotten my information, either. If you declare yourself as "less-informed" then stand by it. Perhaps better wording would make sense here.
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The majority of the irritation throughout this thread has not been the objection to making a painful situation "satirical". It has been the lack of respect and overall "what's the big deal, it's just Hitler" mentality. And in that type of situation, I do believe re-education is necessary.
Similarly to how I would feel if an uneducated pro-lifer decided to tell me that my anger to a new law deciding that abortions were illegal was "irrelevant" because a fetus is a life no matter how long it has been since conception. How would you feel about that? That is how I feel when someone tells me that what happened in WWII is irrelevant.
| Originally Posted by ratmist
I'm objecting to the people are using their opinions and emotions about Hitler and WW2 to form a high horse to look down on those of us that don't find the image offensive, or are happy with using humour to cope. |
To be honest, I find your responses interesting, to say the least. My posts where I am showing displeasure has nothing to do with the original poster. It has to do with people who say that what has happened in history is irrelevant. I would think that someone who was as outspoken as you in the prochoice/prolife thread would agree. Would you be this laid back if someone has said that Roe vs Wade was "irrelevant"? Based on your passionate arguments, I doubt it.
Also, I don't think that feeling vehemently about something puts you on a high horse. Once again, looking at your past arguments as well as current posts in this thread, I would think or at least hope that you'd agree.
I stand firmly by my statements that I wouldn't be rude or judge the original poster because she used the avatar. But, I do judge those who call WWII and the man who murdered and tortured a large part of my family ancestry "irrelevant". Sorry if you think that makes me "on a high horse".
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| Originally Posted by ratmist
No, you misread or misunderstood my statement. If you are more informed on a subject, you are not necessarily more informed than me. People are assuming that because they're passionate about a subject and read a lot or watched the freaking History Channel that their opinion is necessarily better informed, for example, than mine. I object to that tautology. You have absolutely no idea what information I hold in my mind about any particular topic. |
I'm not mis-reading it. You are mis-stating it. You have know clue where I have gotten my information, either. If you declare yourself as "less-informed" then stand by it. Perhaps better wording would make sense here.
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| Originally Posted by ratmist
I am objecting to the idea that those that do not agree with finding the image a valid form of satire believe that those of who do are in need of a serious re-education. It's incredibly insulting. |
The majority of the irritation throughout this thread has not been the objection to making a painful situation "satirical". It has been the lack of respect and overall "what's the big deal, it's just Hitler" mentality. And in that type of situation, I do believe re-education is necessary.
Similarly to how I would feel if an uneducated pro-lifer decided to tell me that my anger to a new law deciding that abortions were illegal was "irrelevant" because a fetus is a life no matter how long it has been since conception. How would you feel about that? That is how I feel when someone tells me that what happened in WWII is irrelevant.
SkylarV217
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When pointing out why something may be offensive to someone i believe emotional perspectives are valid b/c thats where the offense would come from. If a person had no emotions about a subject they more than likely wouldn't get offended by it.
SkylarV217
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I completely agree, I had wondered about this myself.
| Originally Posted by rbella
To be honest, I find your responses interesting, to say the least. My posts where I am showing displeasure has nothing to do with the original poster. It has to do with people who say that what has happened in history is irrelevant. I would think that someone who was as outspoken as you in the prochoice/prolife thread would agree. Would you be this laid back if someone has said that Roe vs Wade was "irrelevant"? Based on your passionate arguments, I doubt it. |
I completely agree, I had wondered about this myself.
lizardprincesa
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Yes. You said that *really* well, Shimmer.
But I would ask her to remove it.
Cheryl Faith
| Originally Posted by Shimmer
It's tasteless, but I wouldn't ask you to take it off your page. Be prepared though, that people may consider your views in line with one of the most charismatic mass murderers in history. |
Yes. You said that *really* well, Shimmer.
But I would ask her to remove it.
Cheryl Faith
SMMY
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I wouldn't ask her to remove it, but given the context of the original poster's initial post about the image, I would reserve the right to think that person was a thorough twit and avoid their web page/s like the plague.
| Originally Posted by lizardprincesa
Yes. You said that *really* well, Shimmer. But I would ask her to remove it. Cheryl Faith |
I wouldn't ask her to remove it, but given the context of the original poster's initial post about the image, I would reserve the right to think that person was a thorough twit and avoid their web page/s like the plague.
lizardprincesa
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You didn't know you would offend people?
I guess you have no relatives who died in The Holocaust.
Hitler killed over 6 million Jewish people, & countless Gypsies, Armenians, handicapped people, and anyone associated with many of these people. Anybody who wasn't able to prove him/herself true aryan was in danger.
I guess you don't know anything about what's happened in places run by similar dictators? Genocide is happening *now,* in 2008.
Perhaps you are somebody who grew up believing The Holocaust didn't happen? Do you know what the Holocaust was?
Since this thread has gone on for 8 pages, I would do better to continue reading. I'm sure otherrs have voiced these opinions, but not in as rude a manner as I...I DON'T CARE.
This world is sick enough without throwing more negative energy around. You do need to research before posting such an atrocious picture.
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You are right, aren't you. If someone idolizes Hitler, well, I guess that person could be offended.
Holy Sh**.
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You poor thing. I actually do feel sorry for you if you are this un-knowing. Ok, I didn't want to write "un-knowing". I wanted to write "ignorant." Yes. Ignorant.
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You are absolutely amazing.
Cheryl Faith
I guess you have no relatives who died in The Holocaust.
Hitler killed over 6 million Jewish people, & countless Gypsies, Armenians, handicapped people, and anyone associated with many of these people. Anybody who wasn't able to prove him/herself true aryan was in danger.
I guess you don't know anything about what's happened in places run by similar dictators? Genocide is happening *now,* in 2008.
Perhaps you are somebody who grew up believing The Holocaust didn't happen? Do you know what the Holocaust was?
Since this thread has gone on for 8 pages, I would do better to continue reading. I'm sure otherrs have voiced these opinions, but not in as rude a manner as I...I DON'T CARE.
This world is sick enough without throwing more negative energy around. You do need to research before posting such an atrocious picture.
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| I never would have expected anyone to be offended unless they happened to be nazis and or idolize Hitler or something so that wasn't a problem for me. |
You are right, aren't you. If someone idolizes Hitler, well, I guess that person could be offended.
Holy Sh**.
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| You really think having an icon like that would break the terms of service on websites? I actually thought about having it as my icon on specktra but couldn't part with my image of Shin Chan putting on lipstick. |
You poor thing. I actually do feel sorry for you if you are this un-knowing. Ok, I didn't want to write "un-knowing". I wanted to write "ignorant." Yes. Ignorant.
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| I still don't find what the big deal is about. I find it to be maybe on the same humor level as Family Guy or South Park, but I guess people find offense to that too... |
You are absolutely amazing.
Cheryl Faith
lizardprincesa
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I *am* offended. But I guess I've already made that clear. I am offended not only for myself and my family, but for anyone, anywhere, who has endured or been victimized by crimes against Humanity.
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How sad, if it's true?
A person can certainly gain lots of attention by doing an action like this...
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Yes. My story is the same. My grandmother, almost 96, & quite amazing, who was born here, has been working on a huge genealogical project for the past 10 years or so. She has found information from various Eastern European countries. Several relatives died in the concentration camps; some of these people were close to her.
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Isn't it sad that she does derive enjoyment. I believe she just doesn't know....well, I think she does, by now.
Cheryl Faith
| Originally Posted by TUPRNUT
I don't like, it but I wouldn't say I'm offended by it. |
I *am* offended. But I guess I've already made that clear. I am offended not only for myself and my family, but for anyone, anywhere, who has endured or been victimized by crimes against Humanity.
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| I guess there are just things, images, circumstances that, as a whole, aren't funny. So, I guess it's really what motivated you to choose it as your avatar. |
How sad, if it's true?
A person can certainly gain lots of attention by doing an action like this...
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| And here's where I'm coming from... my Grandmother was forced into a camp during WWII because of her religious beliefs. After the war was over in Germany, my family moved to the United States. So, Hitler really shaped where my family is today.. and, honestly, I probably wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for what he did and my family's choice, then, to move. |
Yes. My story is the same. My grandmother, almost 96, & quite amazing, who was born here, has been working on a huge genealogical project for the past 10 years or so. She has found information from various Eastern European countries. Several relatives died in the concentration camps; some of these people were close to her.
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| Hitler is more a part of my family's history, then I would like. But the fact is, he shaped history. He was cruel, mad, inhumane. So, that's why I don't like it. But if you find some enjoyment in having this image as your avatar... well, there you go. |
Isn't it sad that she does derive enjoyment. I believe she just doesn't know....well, I think she does, by now.
Cheryl Faith
lizardprincesa
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I sure hope you find something that "piques your interest" soon. I feel for you.
| Originally Posted by astronaut
... I guess I'll change the photo since it seems to upset so many people, once I find something that piques my interest. |
I sure hope you find something that "piques your interest" soon. I feel for you.
FullWroth
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I think it's both - you're misreading it 'cause she's mis-stating it, 'cause it took me a few reads to figure it out. What I think she's getting at is that someone really into WW2 history who feels they're more informed *than the average person* shouldn't assume that they're the only ones who ARE so informed, and so then, if someone disagrees with their stance on the Hitler picture, they shouldn't assume it's because that person's less informed than they are. The person could be every bit as informed and just having reached a different conclusion.
Yes no? I think?
| Originally Posted by rbella
I'm not mis-reading it. You are mis-stating it. You have know clue where I have gotten my information, either. If you declare yourself as "less-informed" then stand by it. Perhaps better wording would make sense here. |
I think it's both - you're misreading it 'cause she's mis-stating it, 'cause it took me a few reads to figure it out. What I think she's getting at is that someone really into WW2 history who feels they're more informed *than the average person* shouldn't assume that they're the only ones who ARE so informed, and so then, if someone disagrees with their stance on the Hitler picture, they shouldn't assume it's because that person's less informed than they are. The person could be every bit as informed and just having reached a different conclusion.
Yes no? I think?
