Does this offend you?

[SkylarV217]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa I guess you don't know anything about what's happened in places run by similar dictators? Genocide is happening *now,* in 2008.

Thank You Cheryl Faith for pointing that out. I believe it is one of those situations that is not widely known or very frequently looked over by many people. I am assuming you were referring to President Bashir of Sudan & Darfur .... I know there are several other places, I just don't know much about the other situations.

Information on Genocide today and Darfur can be found here:

Committee on Conscience

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 By saying the past is irrelevant we are opening ourselves up to both forgetting it an repeating it.

So True.

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By making light of a mass genocide we are opening the gates for another Dictator to take power again and do the same thing. That is why it so important to not devalue the magnitude of the past events that are in question.

Also, soo True.

But genocide is still happening in this World, 2008. Even tho we're in NY State, we watch the BBC news every Night at 6:00 PM, on PBS. Anyone else who watches will know what I mean. I can't bear to see sometimes...

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And believe it or not the past is never irrelevant weather you care to take interest in it or not. Laws and regulations are set fourth because of past occurrence to help ensure that such things don't occur again.

Yes. Well said, by you, SkylarV217, as well as Shimmer & other people.

And if we are silent on this subject, The Past, we pave the way...

I am praying for my brother & sister Human Citizens in every corner of the world...I wish I knew what else I could do.

I am so grateful to be where I am, even if I *can't* afford anything in the COC collection; even if we're stressed that the 1991 car we bought with our savings turns out to be a (very pretty) rust-bucket...We need a 2nd car so I can take my son to speech therapy, can go food-shopping...!!!! Sometimes, my challenges feel like luxuries in the grand scheme...(not to ever undermine anyone else's challenges.)

I am so grateful my great-grandmothers & other relatives arrived here, via Ellis Island, when they did...(years before WWII).

I am also grateful to every single person who acted in defense of Freedom, who "hid" people during The War, who even sent HeartVibes out to those who suffered...

I ramble...

Cheryl Faith

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by Susanne Sorry??

Susanne, I can't imagine why you should apologize. You have nothing to apologize for.

Cheryl Faithxx

 

[lizardprincesa]

Other people are aware that H. had Jewish blood? just wondering.

No, I can't even bear to say his name sometimes. A photo of him fills me with revulsion, dread, fear...

Without having been able to finish reading the last several posts (maybe 5-6 remain) I must tear myself away from this truly fascinating discussion, as my son calls. I have ignored him too much Today, but I guess I needed to read this & be a part (altho others may wish I hadn't)

I believe this thread actually *Unites* brothers and sisters from
diverse socio-economic-ethnic backgrounds...
How lucky we are! Specktra is a microcosm of the World Entire, a place where we can be agents of change...
Positive Energy is here...more so than negative...

xxCherylFaithxx (if I offended anyone, I did not intend to)
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[Susanne]

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Originally Posted by ratmist So if you're from Europe but not from Germany, your opinion is less valid. Uh huh. I just think that it's wrong to use your German nationality to state your opinions as though they are facts.

I said: it is a difference. A difference between two things doesn't mean that one thing is less or more valid than the other. It is just a neutral statement.

To your second comment: This is offending.


I think that there are many people here who could understand what I wanted to say in my posts. I am not going to start an argument with anyone else.
And please desist from further personal attacks.

 

[ratmist]

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Originally Posted by FullWroth I think it's both - you're misreading it 'cause she's mis-stating it, 'cause it took me a few reads to figure it out. What I think she's getting at is that someone really into WW2 history who feels they're more informed *than the average person* shouldn't assume that they're the only ones who ARE so informed, and so then, if someone disagrees with their stance on the Hitler picture, they shouldn't assume it's because that person's less informed than they are. The person could be every bit as informed and just having reached a different conclusion. Yes no? I think?

Yes. Thanks.

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 Thank You Cheryl Faith for pointing that out. I believe it is one of those situations that is not widely known or very frequently looked over by many people. I am assuming you were referring to President Bashir of Sudan & Darfur .... I know there are several other places, I just don't know much about the other situations. Information on Genocide today and Darfur can be found here: Committee on Conscience

SkylarV217, thanks. Yes, those are *two* of the places. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say much, but Mugabe seems to be a very scary dude. Bad stuff is happening in Zimbabwe. sigh.

I have a feeling there may be more...

I still believe the World holds way more *good* than *evil*...

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by astronaut So some people are up in arms and pissed off over the fact that I have a photo of Hitler as my youtube profile icon. Why so serious? >

Wow! You are so very young or very uninformed to write that post, either that or you are a troll...

Ok, why so serious? I would hope after reading some of the replies you have received you would have gotten a clue by now, but hey you asked for this so let me try to enlighten you.

Hitler was evil. Such a simple word 'evil' over used..

Evil, Easily siad, Genocide? but the numbers are so large, you don't see the faces, the loss, the pain, the dispair, the agony.

The first time I really thought about it was as a kid when I was watching some tv documentry; I think it was the "World at war", it showed stills from a barn where peolpe had been locked in by Nazi soldiers then burn't alive. The burn't hand and head of a victim potruding from a gap in the barn had been shot in the head by the one of the nazis.

It may only have been a tv program but I have never forgotten those images...

The death camps where emaciated bodies were bulldozed, naked and broken into pits. These were people once; mothers, farther, children....

The evils perpetrate in those times could be enumerated for hours..

But to you it's funny? or somehow cute?

If you are so sure of you position, research some of the evils perpetrated under Hitlers regime, and then see if you want any association with his image.

I am sure one day you will look back on this post with regret and shame.


Missworld.

 

[spectrolite]

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Originally Posted by missworld Wow! You are so very young or very uninformed to write that post, either that or you are a troll... Ok, why so serious? I would hope after reading some of the replies you have received you would have gotten a clue by now, but hey you asked for this so let me try to enlighten you. Hitler was evil. Such a simple word 'evil' over used.. Evil, Easily siad, Genocide? but the numbers are so large, you don't see the faces, the loss, the pain, the dispair, the agony. The first time I really thought about it was as a kid when I was watching some tv documentry; I think it was the "World at war", it showed stills from a barn where peolpe had been locked in by Nazi soldiers then burn't alive. The burn't hand and head of a victim potruding from a gap in the barn had been shot in the head by the one of the nazis. It may only have been a tv program but I have never forgotten those images... The death camps where emaciated bodies were bulldozed, naked and broken into pits. These were people once; mothers, farther, children.... The evils perpetrate in those times could be enumerated for hours.. But to you it's funny? or somehow cute? If you are so sure of you position, research some of the evils perpetrated under Hitlers regime, and then see if you want any association with his image. I am sure one day you will look back on this post with regret and shame. Missworld.

Where exactly did she say in her post that she thought that Hitlers actions were funny or cute? She never once said that she thought what Hitler did was something to laugh at.

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I still think that's a pretty cool picture lol, especially the last one. That one's pretty hawt.

She was obviously saying that she thought that the pictures of Hitler wearing makeup were funny. You know what? I think they are pretty funny too and they remind me of Monty Python! So I guess that makes me uninformed, young, naive, insensitive, blah blah blah and all of the other words that have been thrown around too? If thats how you choose so judge then go right on ahead. Just know that not everyone in the world is going to share the same opinions as you and they don't need to be lectured on what is right and wrong from you or anyone else either. Celebrate our differences and be thankful for them. We wouldn't be having this interesting debate if we all thought the same way.

And I for one will never be ashamed or regretful of who I am!

 

[SMMY]

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Originally Posted by spectrolite Where exactly did she say in her post that she thought that Hitlers actions were funny or cute? She never once said that she thought what Hitler did was something to laugh at. She said: She was obviously saying that she thought that the pictures of Hitler wearing makeup were funny. You know what? I think they are pretty funny too and they remind me of Monty Python! So I guess that makes me uninformed, young, naive, insensitive, blah blah blah and all of the other words that have been thrown around too? If thats how you choose so judge then go right on ahead. Just know that not everyone in the world is going to share the same opinions as you and they don't need to be lectured on what is right and wrong from you or anyone else either. Celebrate our differences and be thankful for them. We wouldn't be having this interesting debate if we all thought the same way. And I for one will never be ashamed or regretful of who I am!

Actually, yes it does. You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to think less of you for it. And if you can lecture us, as above, we have the right to lecture you right back.

I don't see you as ashamed or regretful, you just seem ill-informed. Oh and that is my opinion and hey - I'm not ashamed or regretful of it either. Celebrating our differences FTW!


ETA: and hooray for selective quoting!

Thread starter's post in it's entirety:
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So some people are up in arms and pissed off over the fact that I have a photo of Hitler as my youtube profile icon. I found it on the internet and chose the middle picture. I've gotten messages with people cursing me out and asking what the hell is wrong with me lol. Chill the f*** out. Really, think about it. Who would do that and who would appreciate drawing makeup on someone they respect??? Enlighten me because I really don't think I'm doing anything wrong, and I still think that's a pretty cool picture lol, especially the last one. That one's pretty hawt. Now I'm a pretty uptight, serious, and conservative person compared to almost everyone I know, and even I can't see what the whole big deal is about. Why so serious? >

I strongly recommend reading whole thread if you haven't yet.

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by spectrolite I'm not offended at all. If people want to get offended over it then thats an issue they have to work out with themselves. I hate it when people get shitty over something that they find offensive and then expect YOU to change to make them happy. If you don't like looking at Pretty Hitler then close your browser window and go ahead and turn off your internet while your at it since there are PLENTY of other things that you might find offensive that you might come across

"Pretty Hitler"

IMO, this was the 2nd most offensive in the thread. You may want to read the rest of the pages. I do know it's long. It's almost like having to read a book. Then again, the Net does make things quicker.

You *should* read them, actually. You seem a bit dangerous in a scary way.

Cheryl Faith

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by SMMY ... I don't see you as ashamed or regretful, you just seem ill-informed.

OMGoddess! You wrote that fantastically.

I don't see the poster as ashamed or regretful, either;

"ill-informed" is the main quality I see.
You know what is said about ignorance...

(sorry for not quoting the entirety of your words. I wanted to be sure to focus on that line. I meant no disrespect, & I am your fan!)

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Oh and that is my opinion and hey - I'm not ashamed or regretful of it either. Celebrating our differences FTW!

Yaaaaaaay! You are terrific, SMMY. Your writing is wonderfully smooth.


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ETA: and hooray for selective quoting! Thread starter's post in it's entirety: I strongly recommend reading whole thread if you haven't yet.

Yes.

Cheryl Faith

 

[FullWroth]

Question: Why does someone not sharing your sense of humor automatically get considered ill-informed or naive?

Everyone has different limits on their sense of humor. Some people have very strict limits and feel that you should never laugh about certain things, and other people feel that one needs to be able to laugh at the worst of humanity or we become as uptight and paranoid as all those dictators were and start another round. Others still need to laugh at their demons as a form of catharsis. None of the above groups are wrong.

So again, while I'm enjoying the debate about whether or not putting the Hitler picture up was a good idea, and why people are or aren't getting offended, I'm a little disturbed by the condescension and posturing going on here. Aw, you thought the picture was funny? Poor little dear, you must be so naive. Those of us making serious faces know better.

Being offended by the picture does not make you more mature or better-informed about the war. It just means there are some things you don't find funny, while other people still do. Whether or not anyone here is more mature, better-informed, or in better taste than anyone else... well, that depends on far more than "Do you think this picture is funny?"

 

[SkylarV217]

To be honest, I may be wrong, But I believe the people that consider or called the OP Ill Informed or immature were not referring to finding the picture comical but rather .... Insisting that people should Chill the F*** out and "Get over it".... Implying that people had no right to be offended by the photo.

I may be wrong but I feel like that is why they are saying she is Ill Informed.

 

[Aprilrobin]

I'm Jewish and my grandmother, her sister and mother were Polish holocaust surviviors.

Somehow, I don't think Hitler would appreciate this feminization and that's fine with me.

It's funny. Don't take life so seriously - nobody gets out alive.

 

[FullWroth]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 To be honest, I may be wrong, But I believe the people that consider or called the OP Ill Informed or immature were not referring to finding the picture comical but rather .... Insisting that people should Chill the F*** out and "Get over it".... Implying that people had no right to be offended by the photo. I may be wrong but I feel like that is why they are saying she is Ill Informed.

I thought that about many of the other accusations of ignorance, which is why I didn't say anything about those, but not the most recent group. From one of the posts above:

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Quote: Originally Posted by spectrolite Where exactly did she say in her post that she thought that Hitlers actions were funny or cute? She never once said that she thought what Hitler did was something to laugh at. She said: She was obviously saying that she thought that the pictures of Hitler wearing makeup were funny. You know what? I think they are pretty funny too and they remind me of Monty Python! So I guess that makes me uninformed, young, naive, insensitive, blah blah blah and all of the other words that have been thrown around too? If thats how you choose so judge then go right on ahead. Just know that not everyone in the world is going to share the same opinions as you and they don't need to be lectured on what is right and wrong from you or anyone else either. Celebrate our differences and be thankful for them. We wouldn't be having this interesting debate if we all thought the same way. And I for one will never be ashamed or regretful of who I am! Actually, yes it does.

 

[Aprilrobin]

And for the record, Hitler did not as a fact have jewish blood, just another popular myth.

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 To be honest, I may be wrong, But I believe the people that consider or called the OP Ill Informed or immature were not referring to finding the picture comical but rather .... Insisting that people should Chill the F*** out and "Get over it".... Implying that people had no right to be offended by the photo. I may be wrong but I feel like that is why they are saying she is Ill Informed.

SkylarV217, I am certain you're right. That's part of it, for sure.

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by Aprilrobin And for the record, Hitler did not as a fact have jewish blood, just another popular myth.

Possibly not. I will research what I learned in a class I took on Holocaust Studies, taught by a renowned professor. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
My addition of that trivia was probably unnecessary, in any case.

Many people think the Holocaust is a myth.

 

[Aprilrobin]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Possibly not. I will research what I learned in a class I took on Holocaust Studies, taught by a renowned professor. If I'm wrong, I apologize. My addition of that trivia was probably unnecessary, in any case. Many people think the Holocaust is a myth.

Some people think it is true, but it is not fact.
There are rumors that say Hitler's grandfather was Jewish by product of his grandmother having an affair, but absolutely no evidence.

The truth is probably that Hitler hid that part of his family's history because of a lineage of mental retardation any various forms of mental illness and retardation. If anything, there seems to be evidence to support that as the truth.

There's a lot of popular stories about Hitler, such as his supposed homosexuality, that are just that - stories.

It also offends some people when the disinformation regarding his jewish ancestry is furthered.