It's not a hate crime because she's white, and it's Halloween "art".
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ashleyisawesome
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Yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with her being white or a woman, it has to do with what she stands for and what kind of person she is.I guess they thought it'd be funny to replace a witch with Palin, and yeah, jokes about ending anyone's life is wrong.
I do believe, however, that it would be entirely different if it had been Obama because of the reality of death threats that surround him AND the negative connotation that nooses have because of their history in racism/slavery.
With Palin, it's a innocent(?) joke, but with Obama it would have been something entirely different.
I do believe, however, that it would be entirely different if it had been Obama because of the reality of death threats that surround him AND the negative connotation that nooses have because of their history in racism/slavery.
With Palin, it's a innocent(?) joke, but with Obama it would have been something entirely different.
couturesista
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I just sat here and I read/ thanked every post. I must say there is a lot of people contradicting themselves. I've read some previous race/politic threads and its very surprising to see how some peoples views change when its their race/political party who's affected. Anywho, I'll go on record by saying, RACISM and SEXISM is wrong regardless of the race/gender! Just agree to disagree and move on, because ya'll know this thread will be closed soon
davidsito987
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TOTALLY!
I think that since it is Halloween time, anything goes....anything..if it was any other month other than OCTOBER....I would understand but C'mon. I personally dont think its that big of a deal. People who suppurt her views are getting upset that she is making herself look silly with talk other than the issues that matter and are just trying to find anything they can to get simpathy back on her side.
Originally Posted by florabundance
It's a stupid thing to do, but how is it a hate crime? If it was some irrelevant celebrity like Paris Hilton then no one would give a shit. |
TOTALLY!
I think that since it is Halloween time, anything goes....anything..if it was any other month other than OCTOBER....I would understand but C'mon. I personally dont think its that big of a deal. People who suppurt her views are getting upset that she is making herself look silly with talk other than the issues that matter and are just trying to find anything they can to get simpathy back on her side.
TISH1124
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I personally would think it was a horrible thing to do even if it was Paris Hilton...and I happen to like listening to her voice over Palin's. My reasons may be personal..But I think making a joke of lynching anyone is deplorable. Again, I may be speaking from the heart and from my families past history...But in my eyes...Whether it be Halloween or any other holiday prank..I find it cruel.
And I too will bow out of this topic...Just because everyone does not see things in the same light does not make their light brighter or right!
And I too will bow out of this topic...Just because everyone does not see things in the same light does not make their light brighter or right!
*Stargazer*
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OK, so I don't hate black people. I judge people on the basis of their personalities and not their skin color.
I don't agree with Obama or his policy ideas. So since it's October, it's cool if I hang him in effigy from my roof? I only have issues with his policies, not his skin color.
I don't agree with Obama or his policy ideas. So since it's October, it's cool if I hang him in effigy from my roof? I only have issues with his policies, not his skin color.
TISH1124
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I say it's *cool* if you don't have a problem with it....If you personally have a problem with lynching then I suppose it wouldn't be okay...Your roof your rope... These type of conversations have gotten so out of hand.
The abrasiveness of the responses are just so uncalled for.
I don't agree with McCain's policies ...But no I am not going to swing a like dummy of him from my roof!
| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
OK, so I don't hate black people. I judge people on the basis of their personalities and not their skin color. I don't agree with Obama or his policy ideas. So since it's October, it's cool if I hang him in effigy from my roof? I only have issues with his policies, not his skin color. |
I say it's *cool* if you don't have a problem with it....If you personally have a problem with lynching then I suppose it wouldn't be okay...Your roof your rope... These type of conversations have gotten so out of hand.
The abrasiveness of the responses are just so uncalled for.
I don't agree with McCain's policies ...But no I am not going to swing a like dummy of him from my roof!
carandru
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^^^ I believe she was directing her comments to davidsito987 in a sarcastic manner. I could be wrong though. And sorry if I pointed out something you already knew.
And I completely agree on the abrasiveness of the responses. Sometimes, I hate these type of discussions b/c its does get so heated and becomes unfruitful.
And I completely agree on the abrasiveness of the responses. Sometimes, I hate these type of discussions b/c its does get so heated and becomes unfruitful.
*Stargazer*
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That's my point. The idea that this is ok because it's October or because Sarah Palin's supporters are the only ones angry and that's only because she's making herself look silly is downright scary. Or that this is something that people are latching on to because it brings some kind of sympathy to Palin. That doesn't even make any sense considering that someone ELSE created this. Someone that very obviously doesn't want anyone to have sympathy for Sarah Palin.
This act is disgraceful PERIOD. That sentence doesn't need a qualification about how it's offense because it's __________.
| Originally Posted by TISH1127
I don't agree with McCain's policies ...But no I am not going to swing a like dummy of him from my roof! |
That's my point. The idea that this is ok because it's October or because Sarah Palin's supporters are the only ones angry and that's only because she's making herself look silly is downright scary. Or that this is something that people are latching on to because it brings some kind of sympathy to Palin. That doesn't even make any sense considering that someone ELSE created this. Someone that very obviously doesn't want anyone to have sympathy for Sarah Palin.
This act is disgraceful PERIOD. That sentence doesn't need a qualification about how it's offense because it's __________.
HeavenLeiBlu
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But, what if she IS a cunt? Or a bitch? It seems that people get more offended by the extra adjectives, and ignore the core insult. I've been called a black bitch more than once, and on those occasions, I was really being a bitch. I guess throwing race on gives it that extra sting?
Well of course it does!
I won't begrudge you the point you're trying to make, but it doesn't take away from the fact that in all the name calling, she ( you, me or anyone else) could actually be whatever negative slur that has been thrown out there. It's just convenient a lot of the time for people to get up in arms over a person's race when it's tagged onto something else that's unflattering.
| Originally Posted by Shimmer
LOL @ the idea that I'm uptight. That's awesome. Of course we all know about his coke use. That's not the same as racism is it? Read any blog where there's a Palin post, someone comes out of the woodwork calling her a cunt, someone comes out of the woodwork saying the bitch needs to burn in hell. Someone makes it a point to call her daughter a whore, and call her family a bunch of rednecks. That's okay? You're going to tell me that that's okay? For what it's worth, I don't think it's okay to do it to Obama either. |
But, what if she IS a cunt? Or a bitch? It seems that people get more offended by the extra adjectives, and ignore the core insult. I've been called a black bitch more than once, and on those occasions, I was really being a bitch. I guess throwing race on gives it that extra sting?
Well of course it does!
I won't begrudge you the point you're trying to make, but it doesn't take away from the fact that in all the name calling, she ( you, me or anyone else) could actually be whatever negative slur that has been thrown out there. It's just convenient a lot of the time for people to get up in arms over a person's race when it's tagged onto something else that's unflattering.
*Stargazer*
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But you were, in those instances, being a bitch and someone called you on it. How many people that call Sarah Palin a bitch or a cunt have had ANY personal interactions with her? Just because someone has differing political viewpoints doesn't qualify them as a derogatory term.
| Originally Posted by HeavenLeiBlu
But, what if she IS a cunt? Or a bitch? It seems that people get more offended by the extra adjectives, and ignore the core insult. I've been called a black bitch more than once, and on those occasions, I was really being a bitch. I guess throwing race on gives it that extra sting?
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But you were, in those instances, being a bitch and someone called you on it. How many people that call Sarah Palin a bitch or a cunt have had ANY personal interactions with her? Just because someone has differing political viewpoints doesn't qualify them as a derogatory term.
franimal
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I especially don't understand what being a republican has to do with her being a target of this. I think if this was done to Obama, it would absolutely be racially motivated because of the history of lynchings in the U.S. You really can't compare the two of them in this situation and say they are the same. I don't see how you can argue that she is being targeted for being a white republican female. I think it is more likely a combination of things having to do with how she presents herself and her views. But until hanging can be linked to the oppression of women, republicans or white people, I don't see how you can argue that hanging someone is symbolically racist, sexist or anti-republican at all.
"I wonder if you encourage people who agree with Palin's views to vote as vehemently as you encourage people who disagree with her views to vote."
I took her quote to mean that if you don't like Sarah Palin, you should vote in the election instead of making "art" to symbolically kill her. I think you are being a bit defensive.
I really can't wait for this election to be over....
| Originally Posted by Shimmer
Had it been an Obama like mannequin, the guy would be in jail. But it's okay. She's female. White. And Republican. |
I especially don't understand what being a republican has to do with her being a target of this. I think if this was done to Obama, it would absolutely be racially motivated because of the history of lynchings in the U.S. You really can't compare the two of them in this situation and say they are the same. I don't see how you can argue that she is being targeted for being a white republican female. I think it is more likely a combination of things having to do with how she presents herself and her views. But until hanging can be linked to the oppression of women, republicans or white people, I don't see how you can argue that hanging someone is symbolically racist, sexist or anti-republican at all.
"I wonder if you encourage people who agree with Palin's views to vote as vehemently as you encourage people who disagree with her views to vote."
I took her quote to mean that if you don't like Sarah Palin, you should vote in the election instead of making "art" to symbolically kill her. I think you are being a bit defensive.
I really can't wait for this election to be over....
ClaireAvril
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These people didn't like Palin and McCain.. we don't know what race these people are.. For all we know maybe this is a race hate crime and they are white people who hate all other white people. it could happen............
It's very convenient that the media didn't include their race so they could stir up conversations and speculations like what is going on in this post. Which is what the media LOVES to do!
To me.. this is a hate crime. They're hating on Palin and McCain.. From what I remember reading there is nothing said about race in the story. I've never seen a house decorated with someone hanging by a noose. I think most people consider seeing something like that very disturbing. So he should have been charged or fined.. Letting him off just allows other people to feel as though they can do the same stupidness.
It was the comment after the story that started the racism talk and the sexism talk.
And comparing witch hangings to opression, slavery, and continuous violence is ridiculous.
Race issues are sooo prevalent in the US.. or shall I say parts of the US. Not that there isn't racism in Canada because there is.
Wow.. too bad the debates are not this juicy on this side of the border.
It's very convenient that the media didn't include their race so they could stir up conversations and speculations like what is going on in this post. Which is what the media LOVES to do!
To me.. this is a hate crime. They're hating on Palin and McCain.. From what I remember reading there is nothing said about race in the story. I've never seen a house decorated with someone hanging by a noose. I think most people consider seeing something like that very disturbing. So he should have been charged or fined.. Letting him off just allows other people to feel as though they can do the same stupidness.
It was the comment after the story that started the racism talk and the sexism talk.
And comparing witch hangings to opression, slavery, and continuous violence is ridiculous.
Race issues are sooo prevalent in the US.. or shall I say parts of the US. Not that there isn't racism in Canada because there is.
Wow.. too bad the debates are not this juicy on this side of the border.
missworld
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Well actually yes, whoever you support you should VOTE, countless people have sacrificed for your right to do so.
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Maybe a long time ago to something with the lifespan of a butterfly!!!
But 1954 is in living memory, and an absolute disgrace to this Country!
You can read This and still say "Desegregation was a long time ago."?
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Are you seriously suggesting the hate crime perpetrated against Sarah Palin had anything to do with either her gender or her race?
That's Rhetorical BTW don't waste your keystokes.
missworld
| Originally Posted by Shimmer
I wonder if you encourage people who agree with Palin's views to vote as vehemently as you encourage people who disagree with her views to vote. |
Well actually yes, whoever you support you should VOTE, countless people have sacrificed for your right to do so.
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| Originally Posted by Shimmer
Desegregation was a long time ago. |
Maybe a long time ago to something with the lifespan of a butterfly!!!
But 1954 is in living memory, and an absolute disgrace to this Country!
You can read This and still say "Desegregation was a long time ago."?
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| Originally Posted by Shimmer
Women face discrimination every day based on their gender. Situations that happened literally decades ago do not mitigate the absolute lack of reaction (aside from humor) the display has elicited. |
Are you seriously suggesting the hate crime perpetrated against Sarah Palin had anything to do with either her gender or her race?
That's Rhetorical BTW don't waste your keystokes.
missworld
MACLovin
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By directly, I mean they didn't threaten to hang her, or display this in her front yard to taunt her... nor did they actually harm her. OF COURSE it portrays a horrible act of violence. All I'm saying is that it was not directly perpetrated upon her. I thought I made it pretty clear that I think it's disgusting of whoever put this display up, and I didn't agree with it. I wasn't defending their actions by any means, I just have a different interpretation of what a hate crime is, I suppose. I'm sure if the law considers it as such, action will be taken.
see, that's why i said I don't like to get into these types of threads (political/racial/discriminatory/highly controversial).. They just have the tendency to cause unnecessary static between members and polarize us when we should all just be agreeing upon the fact that a display like this depicting anyone is wrong and shouldn't be allowed.
Peace, people! Seriously, violence gets us nowhere.
| Originally Posted by TISH1127
So you don't think Palin was directly targeted, nor insulted, nor is hanging an act of violence.... |
By directly, I mean they didn't threaten to hang her, or display this in her front yard to taunt her... nor did they actually harm her. OF COURSE it portrays a horrible act of violence. All I'm saying is that it was not directly perpetrated upon her. I thought I made it pretty clear that I think it's disgusting of whoever put this display up, and I didn't agree with it. I wasn't defending their actions by any means, I just have a different interpretation of what a hate crime is, I suppose. I'm sure if the law considers it as such, action will be taken.
see, that's why i said I don't like to get into these types of threads (political/racial/discriminatory/highly controversial).. They just have the tendency to cause unnecessary static between members and polarize us when we should all just be agreeing upon the fact that a display like this depicting anyone is wrong and shouldn't be allowed.
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Shimmer
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No, racial motivations would be attributed to it.
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You just did. You just said that it would be absolutely racially motivated if it were a representation of Obama.
It's cool to hate Republicans right now. It's okay, they're fair game, and it's no problem for anyone. It's the IN thing. That's why it's mentioned, and why it's okay.
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Not at all.
Missworld specifically has a history of encouraging people to vote. If they agree with her. If they don't...well. They're better off, in her mind, staying away from the polls.
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Indeed.
| Originally Posted by franimal
I especially don't understand what being a republican has to do with her being a target of this. I think if this was done to Obama, it would absolutely be racially motivated because of the history of lynchings in the U.S. |
No, racial motivations would be attributed to it.
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| You really can't compare the two of them in this situation and say they are the same. I don't see how you can argue that she is being targeted for being a white republican female. I think it is more likely a combination of things having to do with how she presents herself and her views. But until hanging can be linked to the oppression of women, republicans or white people, I don't see how you can argue that hanging someone is symbolically racist, sexist or anti-republican at all. |
You just did. You just said that it would be absolutely racially motivated if it were a representation of Obama.
It's cool to hate Republicans right now. It's okay, they're fair game, and it's no problem for anyone. It's the IN thing. That's why it's mentioned, and why it's okay.
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| "I wonder if you encourage people who agree with Palin's views to vote as vehemently as you encourage people who disagree with her views to vote." I took her quote to mean that if you don't like Sarah Palin, you should vote in the election instead of making "art" to symbolically kill her. I think you are being a bit defensive. |
Not at all.
Missworld specifically has a history of encouraging people to vote. If they agree with her. If they don't...well. They're better off, in her mind, staying away from the polls.
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| I really can't wait for this election to be over.... |
Indeed.
