Jena 6

[NutMeg]

Well all of the previous participants had said everything they wanted to say, but for people who have just discovered the thread there may be some points they want to cover, or just feel the need to express their opinions. Even for me, I was fairly sick when I first posted and looking back, I don't like what I said or the way I phrased it. I don't think that my meaning came out well, although I don't feel strongly enough to repost. I hope that by "thanking" I have made my opinion more clear.

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by NutMeg Well all of the previous participants had said everything they wanted to say, but for people who have just discovered the thread there may be some points they want to cover, or just feel the need to express their opinions.

Amen. If the mods or admins didn't want anyone else to respond to this thread with an opinion, they would have shut it.

 

[Indigowaters]

I didn't say or think they had to shut it seeing as we came to an agreement of what we thought was fair punishment. I just think it was to get others worked back up again and start something all over when we came to a conclusion. Plus, it's not always a good idea to not read the whole thread (which I know can be time consuming) and make a comment on something you saw that someone said previously. They could have apologized for it or made another point and it's like picking at scabs. Let it heal already. Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladybug10678 Amen. If the mods or admins didn't want anyone else to respond to this thread with an opinion, they would have shut it.

 

[lipstickandhate]

Indigowaters, I'm not allowed to post my opinions on a thread I've seen for the first time today because you disagree with them? I didn't agree to disagree with anyone about anything on this thread. I didn't participate in any survey that I wouldn't share my opinions b/c you don't like them.
And I certainly didn't agree to spare you the agony of my opinions b/c I happen to cut right through the race bullshit and call a spade a spade.

You're the coward. You have wounds from this thread? Get some Neosporin and a Band-aid then and STOP READING IT. Censorship is for the weak.

 

[Indigowaters]

I never said that, but try and be original.

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Originally Posted by lipstickandhate Indigowaters, I'm not allowed to post my opinions on a thread I've seen for the first time today because you disagree with them? You're the coward.

 

[lipstickandhate]

I've edited it to be more original.

Also, I'm quite capable of reading between the lines. You didn't specify me b/c you're being snippy. I've specified you b/c I knew exactly who you were talking about.

 

[Indigowaters]

No, you didn't specify me in the beginning. At first it was "people". Continue. Quote:

Originally Posted by lipstickandhate I've edited it to be more original. Also, I'm quite capable of reading between the lines. You didn't specify me b/c you're being snippy. I've specified you b/c I knew exactly who you were talking about.

 

[SparklingWaves]

Perhaps, I missed it. I was wondering what the viewpoint of the original poster was on these incidents in Jena.

 

[lipstickandhate]

WTF are you talking about?
Do you not see "IndigoWaters" in my post? I didn't edit that part.

You made a not so subtle hint that I shouldn't have posted my two sense b/c you thought the thread had been "resolved." And you implied that I did so to garner thanks without contributing anything new to the thread.

I'm the only one who's posted anything substantially new to the thread and therefore, you must be referring to me.

 

[Indigowaters]

You've done alot of editing. But what I'm talking about is your original post and the ones after it saying "I'm surprised at how many people"... However, what are you adding to this post that's original? Like I said, those same things have been said before and we're just rehashing it. Do you have any links or facts or points of law as Shimmer had to bring up? You're entitled to your own opinion, but to go on a long rant and call people out, I'm going to respond. You don't like, YOU quit reading. Quote:

Originally Posted by lipstickandhate WTF are you talking about? Do you not see "IndigoWaters" in my post? I didn't edit that part. You made a not so subtle hint that I shouldn't have posted my two sense b/c you thought the thread had been "resolved." And you implied that I did so to garner thanks without contributing anything new to the thread. I'm the only one who's posted anything substantially new to the thread and therefore, you must be referring to me.

 

[lipstickandhate]

Who did I call out when I said " I'm surprised at how many people on this board"? Do you see "Indigowaters" in that part? Or anyone else's s/n specifically? I certainly could have written them in, but I didn't b/c you're entitled to your opinions and I'm just saying that I disagree with them and fear the logic or lack there of behind them.

If you think nooses are worse than a 6 on 1 beating, I guess I did speak directly to you...
And if you do, my point stands. I think its despicable for anyone to do what those kids did. Black white red, purple green, I don't give a shit what color, where, when or why, you don't do it, it's ILLEGAL.

How about that for a point of law? When you ASSAULT someone and are ARRESTED AND CONVICTED FOR IT, you GO TO JAIL?

Lawschool and 10 years in a District Attorney's Office sending boys just like the Jena 6 to prison taught me all that

Now I'll agree to disagree and stop reading. I'm just hoping I get a few more thanks for this post though!

 

[lipstickandhate]

You're welcome.

 

[Shimmer]

lipstickandhate generally speaking knows her stuff about the legal part.

I don't really think there's anything wrong with adding something to the thread, since there wasn't invective and it wasn't fueled by emotion.

It's always good, IMO, to have an educated person opine on the situation.

 

[Indigowaters]

That's all well and good about law, but I do think some parts were fueled by emotion Shimmer. Especially to say that kids from lower socio-economic neighborhoods have a greater capacity for violence? Come on. I don't even want to bring up the events in past years that have happened by kids from middle to upper class just because it wouldn't be in good taste. I have lived in both lower and middle class neighborhoods (the latter being current) and I know full well both have people capable of great violence. I believe it was also brought up in other threads that a good majority of people on this thread are also very well educated (myself included - still going), so that has nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Shimmer lipstickandhate generally speaking knows her stuff about the legal part. I don't really think there's anything wrong with adding something to the thread, since there wasn't invective and it wasn't fueled by emotion. It's always good, IMO, to have an educated person opine on the situation.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters That's all well and good about law, but I do think some parts were fueled by emotion Shimmer. Especially to say that kids from lower socio-economic neighborhoods have a greater capacity for violence? Come on. I don't even want to bring up the events in past years that have happened by kids from middle to upper class just because it wouldn't be in good taste. I have lived in both lower and middle class neighborhoods (the latter being current) and I know full well both have people capable of great violence. I believe it was also brought up in other threads that a good majority of people on this thread are also very well educated (myself included - still going), so that has nothing to do with it.

Agreed, but if she has data to back up the statement (about socio economic violence etc.) then it's really something to consider, I think.
It's not, I don't think, a tit for tat thing, but when the data and the information is there, as well as the experience in the specific field relating to the thread, it's worth listening to, regardless of presentation.
There are also facts to back your statement about middle/upper class as well.

 

[lipstickandhate]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters . Especially to say that kids from lower socio-economic neighborhoods have a greater capacity for violence? Come on. I .

I knew there had to be something that stuck in your craw for you to write a catty response like that.

I'm glad to see that its b/c I said people from rough neighborhoods are more prone to violence than people from cushy upper-middle class suburbs. I'm glad to see that you assumed I meant that only bad neighborhoods beget violence and that I didn't think it could happen anywhere else.

Yes, violence can happen anywhere, anytime, between either gender, in any neighborhood and to any race. Violence is not specific to one race, group, or gender. But, you would be foolish to ignore Uniform Crime Statistics or the fact that Brownsville is a rougher neighborhood than Garden City and many people from Brownsville are rougher people than many people from Garden City. My fiancee is from Brownsville so obviously he is one of the exceptions I hear so much about. As are some of my father's relatives who grew up in the Liberty City housing projects in Miami.

I would love to hear your stories about the rough and tumble upper-middle class neighborhoods. Why not?

 

[MACa6325xi]

I have posted my opinion about this case and I think we all agree to disagree. Nevertheless, I believe that the language used earlier in the day by the attorney is uncalled for and quite offensive. I'm sure that after law school one can find a better way of expressing oneself than using profanity. Indeed, this is a sensitive topic and everyone has their opinion. Now it's time for healing. I believe that this forum should be closed and the discussion ended. If it can't be moderated properly without offensive language.

 

[Indigowaters]

I didn't assume, it's what you said. I didn't take anything out of context and you didn't add anything. And I could give a flip about statistics (took that too), seeing as there are always statistics to go against each other and they change every week. I guess I, my mom and my friends happen to also be the exceptions too, hmm? The exception is supposed to be a very little group that isn't expected to act like the rest of the people being generalized huh? And I believe you see the violence that comes from upper-middle class neighborhoods just as I do. Quote:

Originally Posted by lipstickandhate I'm glad to see that its b/c I said people from rough neighborhoods are more prone to violence than people from cushy upper-middle class suburbs. I'm glad to see that you assumed I meant that only bad neighborhoods beget violence and that I didn't think it could happen anywhere else. Yes, violence can happen anywhere, anytime, between either gender, in any neighborhood and to any race. Violence is not specific to one race, group, or gender. But, you would be foolish to ignore Uniform Crime Statistics or the fact that Brownsville is a rougher neighborhood than Garden City and many people from Brownsville are rougher people than many people from Garden City. My fiancee is from Brownsville so obviously he is one of the exceptions I hear so much about. As are some of my father's relatives who grew up in the Liberty City housing projects in Miami. My mom is also an exception as she is from a poor Northern Irish family with ties to the IRA. I would love to hear your stories about the rough and tumble upper-middle class neighborhoods. Why not?

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by MACa6325xi I have posted my opinion about this case and I think we all agree to disagree. Nevertheless, I believe that the language used earlier in the day by the attorney is uncalled for and quite offensive. I'm sure that after law school one can find a better way of expressing oneself than using profanity. Indeed, this is a sensitive topic and everyone has their opinion. Now it's time for healing. I believe that this forum should be closed and the discussion ended. If it can't be moderated properly without offensive language.

Cursing isn't against the TOS of the site. There's not as far as I know, a profanity filter.
That said, "Agreeing to disagree" doesn't work. It hasn't worked for years. It doesn't work because while we're all agreeing not to hurt each other's feelings, NOTHING gets solved, things just keep going status quo.
There's no need for 'healing' because while the statements made in this thread have been passionate and heated, they're not attacking anyone personally, they're attacking an idea, generally speaking.

 

[MACa6325xi]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Cursing isn't against the TOS of the site. There's not as far as I know, a profanity filter. That said, "Agreeing to disagree" doesn't work. It hasn't worked for years. It doesn't work because while we're all agreeing not to hurt each other's feelings, NOTHING gets solved, things just keep going status quo. There's no need for 'healing' because while the statements made in this thread have been passionate and heated, they're not attacking anyone personally, they're attacking an idea, generally speaking.

If you noticed I did not use capital letters in anything that I said. While you may not be offended by the profanity, I am. If this is going to be a discussion, it should remain intelligent and thoughtful. Hopefully, we are all adults and I choose not to use that type of language even if I disagree with you because it's called "respect." Even if I disagree with you, I respect you and can have a discussion with you choosing more appropriate language. How can we set an example for our kids if that's how we address people. I'm embarrassed for the attorney as a member of the bar and for this forum.

Finally, there is a need for healing because these families have to live in this town. We can speculate all we want about what's going to happen or what should have happened, but the residents of this town will have to try to resolve their differences. I'm not the only one who feels this. I guess this is why Dr. Phil had the young man who was beaten on his show along with his parents.