Middle Eastern Society

[Trunkmonkey]

As much fun as it would be to stay and continue this debate I just got off for the rest of the day.

Amoona I hope you get your wish to go love in Palestine I really really do.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Ladybug10678 But Shimmer, it's so much more fun to be a martyr than it is to actually accept that life sucks ass sometimes and move on, abandoning bitterness.

What is there to be bitter about??? I don't get this. What is there to be bitter about? Not being able to live in a country that considers women subservient to men? Not being able to have the opportunities and protections offered, as Raerae pointed out earlier, by the American government and Embassies while on foreign soil?
What?
What in God's name is there to be bitter about???

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona And that's where we see differently. To my the greatest luxury in life would be to be able to live in Palestine without illegal Israeli rule for the rest of my life.

Oh I'm part Cherokee Indian too Shimmer...

Thats where se see differently Shim. To me, the greatest luxury in life would be to live in North America, without illegal American rule for the rest of my life.

Sunkmanitu Tanka Owaci

Thats Souix though, not Cherokee lol...

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Oh I'm part Cherokee Indian too Shimmer... Thats where se see differently Shim. To me, the greatest luxury in life would be to live in North America, without illegal American rule for the rest of my life. Sunkmanitu Tanka Owaci Thats Souix though, not Cherokee lol...

Dude totally.


Except I've lived in Georgia, and hated it. I'll leave that to the white man.

 

[Raerae]

Removed out of bad taste.

 

[Shimmer]

Even when we disagree, as we do in threads like this, please respect the differences in opinion.

 

[Dark_Phoenix]

Um... actually most of the Middle Eastern countries have amazing benefits for their citizens.

My education is paid by the Bahraini government, after application any university studies (even abroad) will be fully paid. Women can vote like men and serve in Parliament. We can also drive and there are no laws regarding dress. So I'm pretty content being a Bahraini citizen, although I have dual citizenship I do not exercise many of the rights of my Italian citizenship nor my American one since I do not maintain a residence in either nation.

Each country differs but we have no idea what Palestine would be as a UN recognized nation because it can't exist yet. Who knows, it could be as conservative as Oman or as liberal as Lebanon... but we have no idea.

 

[Raerae]

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[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Except I've lived in Georgia, and hated it. I'll leave that to the white man.

Ahahahahahaha. I so don't blame you there.

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer What is there to be bitter about??? I don't get this. What is there to be bitter about? Not being able to live in a country that considers women subservient to men? Not being able to have the opportunities and protections offered, as Raerae pointed out earlier, by the American government and Embassies while on foreign soil? What? What in God's name is there to be bitter about???

Nothing, but if that bitterness if all that defines you, it's hard to see past it to rational thought.

 

[Macnarsandlove]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Except I've lived in Georgia, and hated it. I'll leave that to the white man.

lmao.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae I still dont understand Amoona... Why dont you contact Hamas in Palestine, and go through the proper channels to apply for Palestinian citizenship if your so intent on getting your heritage back. Heaven forbid you do that before you take advantage of everything America has to offer.

See that goes to show what little you know about that region of the world. Hamas has no authority to give me any citizenship, only Israel does. They don't just hand out Palestinian citizenship. The only means for me to get one, outside of marrying someone leaving in the West Bank or Gaza is to do so illegally. Then when I get caught at a check point the IDF will arrest me and I'll get their *wonderful* treatment at an Israeli jail.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona See that goes to show what little you know about that region of the world. Hamas has no authority to give me any citizenship, only Israel does. They don't just hand out Palestinian citizenship. The only means for me to get one, outside of marrying someone leaving in the West Bank or Gaza is to do so illegally. Then when I get caught at a check point the IDF will arrest me and I'll get their *wonderful* treatment at an Israeli jail.

Then contact Israel.

Me not knowing who to contact is irrelevant. As you obviously KNOW who to contact. The idea remains the same.

Edit: Here yah go, you can start here.

link

Or marry some Palestinian Boy in the Westbank/Gaza. Since had you been born a Palestinian, you'd probably have ended up marrying one already anyways.

Eigther way you know how to get citizenship to your "homeland." Nothing is stopping you babe.

 

[Dizzy]

In all honesty, applying to Israel for Palestinian citizenship is futile. They are extremely strict about who they let into the country (non-Jewish persons), not to mention being a Palestinian in Israel is such a large, but swept under the carpet issue. To Israel, it is a Jewish state, not a "let's share it with the Arabs" state. The Arabs offered to share it in 1947 (IIRC), and the Jewish Zionists said no, they wanted all of it (of course, that's in a nutshell, leaving out many details).

I'm sure Amoona could explain it better, but search for some of the human rights violations that Israel manages to get keep out of the American media (and there's many). I'm guessing that's also a reason why she's pissed and bitter- she might be an American, but that doesn't mean she has to give up her roots, you know?

Anyway, that's just my take on things.

 

[Dark_Phoenix]

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Originally Posted by Dizzy I'm guessing that's also a reason why she's pissed and bitter- she might be an American, but that doesn't mean she has to give up her roots, you know?

I agree with you.

Most other countries allow citizenship by blood (jus sanguinus). So if you're parents are Israeli and you're born in the US you gain both citizenships. It's quite unfair of Israel to not allow it for the children of citizens of the Palestinian Territories.

 

[Dizzy]

Heh, there's a lot of unfair things that happen in that situation, but they've been ignored for such a long time that it's going to take a miracle for something to happen that will leave everyone happy with the outcome, imo.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Then contact Israel. Me not knowing who to contact is irrelevant. As you obviously KNOW who to contact. The idea remains the same. Edit: Here yah go, you can start here. link Or marry some Palestinian Boy in the Westbank/Gaza. Since had you been born a Palestinian, you'd probably have ended up marrying one already anyways. Eigther way you know how to get citizenship to your "homeland." Nothing is stopping you babe.

You are so ignorant on the topic it's funny. I'm not Jewish so Israel handing me Israeli citizenship will not happen. I wasn't born in either the Gaza Strip or the West Bank so Israel will not give me Palestinian citizenship. My boyfriend was born in Iraq so he can't give me citizenship either. :-/ Even if he WAS born in Palestine it's not a guarantee that Israel will give me a citizenship if I married him.

So YES there is something stopping me, it's called ISRAEL.

It's funny how every thread goes back to the same thing, people on here constantly trying to tell me to go back to my country and not understanding the actual reality of the situation and why I can't just go back to my country. With all these *lovely* comments directed towards me, it shouldn't surprise anyone why I feel the way I feel.

 

[Shimmer]

Perhaps if the rhetoric were to change the reaction would be different, non?

 

[MAC_Whore]

And once again, my usual contribution to the same old conversation

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Perhaps if the rhetoric were to change the reaction would be different, non?

I think thats the gist of it.