Ricky Martin flips off president..

[Trunkmonkey]

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Originally Posted by amoona If you knew so much about being a Palestinian refugee then you wouldn't have made the comment you did. Obviously you don't so you think that me saying I'm forced to live here is BS. That's fine I can't expect you to know what it's like unless you're a Palestinian refugee. I have no idea what opportunities that is offered to me in this country that I couldn't get in other places?! The only place I couldn't live in the way I live now is in my own country, and that's thanks to Israeli occupation. I plan on moving to UAE once I'm done with school and I have more opportunities there then I do here. I also never said the US was evil I said that in this country at this point in time it's ok to be openly anti-Muslim.

Well let's see. There's Canada, Mexico, Several small countries in South America, Switzerland, France, there's a veritable plethora of places you could move to. But I'm just guessing, based on how you post here, people aren't going to treat you any better there than they do here. You bring a lot of heat down on yourself with your attitude and the fact that you want things to be one way for you and another with the rest of the world.

Now on to the point.... yes I have been contacted by the mods and yes I did say 'sorry'. The fact that I'm not in the least bit sorry I offended you doesn't mean I didn't SAY 'sorry'.

Had the mods not said anything I would have very likely by now had you in a fetal position sucking your thumb by the way I would have cheerfully abused you for your hypocrisy, abysmal spelling, and your divorce from reality in regards to who said what and when.

But I'm being good and holding myself back because really I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone finding you in a bathtub with both wrists open and a half drank bottle of bleach on the floor. It will probably happen but I don't personally want to be responsible for it.

So I will leave you with this my dear. You've made 2 assumptions about me that are 100% inaccurate. I won't tell you which two they are I'll just let you mull them a little bit.

Have a lovely day and by the way airline tickets are really cheap now. Might want to consider beating the summer rush.

 

[amoona]

xbeatofangelx - People are openly making "inflammatory" comments directed towards my religion when it wasn't even an issue in this topic. People are going out of their way to single me out and direct this topic in a manner which it was not going. And all this because I made a personal statement which had nothing to do with my religion. They may not be Muslim-Haters but they seem to be ok with openly trashing a religion they seem to know nothing about and they seem to be ok (the Mods) with allowing others to do so as well. My parents only came here because my mother got a scholarship here and the only reason she's still here is because she's waiting for my brother to turn 18 and then she's leaving. Like I said before, I go to college here because it's all I can afford. I was accepted into different univerisities in Lebanon, Egypt, and Dubai ... I was also accepted into a university in Palestine but can't go because I'm a Palestinian with an American citizenship ... I was unable to get any financial assistance because I'm not a citizen of an Arab country. That's why I'm stuck here. Europe is much more expensive and my family would never let me go to Canada because we have no family there. Not to mention that would also be very expensive.

 

[Hawkeye]

I've seen some of those comments and I agree they were unnecessary. But at some point you are going to have to realize that people don't like having something they actually agree with trashed.

Much like this with your religion. You hate it. How do you think we feel about OUR country. Naturally we're going to take up for it. Sure we may hate the politics but its OUR country. It's one of those things that- it's ok if we say it among ourselves that we aren't happy with something - like a family- but the moment someone else says something about it you'll automatically take up for it.

And I know you must be miserable here in the U.S. but maybe one day you will be able to move out and be happier.

P.S. edited to add- the mods aren't OK with trashing your religion. You think they are- but I know for a fact they aren't. Sometimes they take care of things privately rather on the forum. Don't think that this is a whole anti muslim thing when in fact- no it isn't (some comments were- granted and I'm not happy with those myself) but you have to be able to look at the way we see things to understand what we are trying to say. And also- don't forget that you aren't always the only one edited. I get edited all the time, half the time my posts are just removed with no explanation or anything. They just go poof and gone.
At least many of your posts get to stay on the board

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye Sweetie- why is it OK for YOU to make ANTI AMERICAN statements? You get worked up when anyone makes an anti muslim statement why should we accept it when you make an anti american statement? And About being censored honey even I get censored by the mods. It's not like they are after you and only you. You have it in your head that everyone is out to get you because your Muslim when no that's not the case. But we are trying to get you to see OUR point of view that many of us have bent over BACKWARDS to see YOUR point of view. That's what baffles me. You are obviously a very nice, intelligent person but you seem to be very narrow minded and almost refuse to allow others to express their views. We're not anti muslim, but we do wonder sometimes. At some point you are going to have to realize that it's not all about you. We're not personally attacking you or your religion we are questioning it. But that's the exact same thing you do to us with OUR country.

I never said I don’t see other people’s views. I was just simply saying that in my personal view it’s not that big of a deal. Then my religion gets dragged into it and I said that no I don’t think a religious figure is the same as a political one. I respect my religion a lot more then I respect politics. Nobody seems to be ok with that, even though they say they are, because once I said it my religion had to be brought into it.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona I never said I don’t see other people’s views. I was just simply saying that in my personal view it’s not that big of a deal. Then my religion gets dragged into it and I said that no I don’t think a religious figure is the same as a political one. I respect my religion a lot more then I respect politics. Nobody seems to be ok with that, even though they say they are, because once I said it my religion had to be brought into it.

Again, your religion as a whole wasn't brought up. Your statements and the light which they were made in was my point.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Trunkmonkey Well let's see. There's Canada, Mexico, Several small countries in South America, Switzerland, France, there's a veritable plethora of places you could move to. But I'm just guessing, based on how you post here, people aren't going to treat you any better there than they do here. You bring a lot of heat down on yourself with your attitude and the fact that you want things to be one way for you and another with the rest of the world. Now on to the point.... yes I have been contacted by the mods and yes I did say 'sorry'. The fact that I'm not in the least bit sorry I offended you doesn't mean I didn't SAY 'sorry'. Had the mods not said anything I would have very likely by now had you in a fetal position sucking your thumb by the way I would have cheerfully abused you for your hypocrisy, abysmal spelling, and your divorce from reality in regards to who said what and when. But I'm being good and holding myself back because really I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone finding you in a bathtub with both wrists open and a half drank bottle of bleach on the floor. It will probably happen but I don't personally want to be responsible for it. So I will leave you with this my dear. You've made 2 assumptions about me that are 100% inaccurate. I won't tell you which two they are I'll just let you mull them a little bit. Have a lovely day and by the way airline tickets are really cheap now. Might want to consider beating the summer rush.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME RIGHT

Oh please don't destroy me and make me depressed over an internet conversation I'm having with an ignorant child. haha seriously you give yourself too much credit.

I'll be happy to move anywhere in Europe if you want to pay for it. And FYI people like you are the reason why I hate living in this country.

 

[Trunkmonkey]

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Originally Posted by amoona YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME RIGHT Oh please don't distroy me and make me depressed over an internet conversation I'm having with an ignorant child. I'll be happy to move anywhere in Europe if you want to pay for it. And FYI people like you are the reason why I hate living in this country.

Well apparantly it bothers you more than you're letting on BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL TYPING IN HERE. Poor soul. The tension is obviously getting to be more than you can bear.

 

[Hawkeye]

Trunkmonkey, that is enough.

You've made your opinion quite clear. Right now you are doing nothing more than almost harassing/trolling amoona right now.

Amoona happens to be a respected member of our community and even though she doesn't agree with a lot of us right now that gives nobody the right to exacerbate the problem.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Trunkmonkey Well apparantly it bothers you more than you're letting on BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL TYPING IN HERE. Poor soul. The tension is obviously getting to be more than you can bear.

Oh it really is.

Maybe I should go blow myself up since that's what Muslims do right?

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

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Originally Posted by amoona And I'm glad he brought it to people's attention that sometimes jackasses like Bush just need the finger lol.

THIS was the first offensive remark made.

Others followed.. why? because generally when you say something offensive.. Offensive things are said in return.

Now that comment might not have meant anything to you. but to some people, It definitely does OFFEND .. I don't care if Bush's popularity ratings are down. that doesn't mean that everyone in the U.S has to hate him. Some people still respect (any) leader of this beautiful Free country!

The street goes both ways.

 

[Trunkmonkey]

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye Trunkmonkey, that is enough. You've made your opinion quite clear. Right now you are doing nothing more than almost harassing/trolling amoona right now.

you're right... I rescind the statement

 

[Hawkeye]

Amoona,
that's enough out of you as well. I know your feelings are hurt but you don't have to have the final say. Just ignore it and lets try to get this thread back on track OK?

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye Amoona, lets try to get this thread back on track OK?

You know what I could never figure out about this story? If Ricky Martin hates George Bush so much (which is certainly his perogative), why sing the song at all? That makes me think he sings the song to give himself a forum to display his dislike of Bush. And honestly, I don't have much of an opinion of whether it is right or wrong, but it just seems that he's doing it deliberately, you know?

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by MxAxC-_ATTACK THIS was the first offensive remark made. Others followed.. why? because generally when you say something offensive.. Offensive things are said in return. Now that comment might not have meant anything to you. but to some people, It definitely does OFFEND .. I don't care if Bush's popularity ratings are down. that doesn't mean that everyone in the U.S has to hate him. Some people still respect (any) leader of this beautiful Free country! The street goes both ways.

Yes understood but I didn't continue on to bash him like I could have. I didn't think it was a big deal when I typed it considering how many people hate him. So I didn't continue on to bash him with the millions of things I could have. Instead I had to defend my religion because people felt it was ok to bring that up in a negative light since I don't agree with them and I didn't think it was a big deal. They don't need to think that saying offensive comment towards Islam is actually offensive but if they want to continue it then why should they expect me to be sorry that my comment offended anyone when that wasn't the intent of my comment?

 

[glamdoll]

WOW how did it get from ricky martin to this?

I only thought that "trunkmunkey" was the one being rude with her comments. and to one of the mods that censored me in the new york forum I know its off topic, but in that post I had explained that it was my view n no one should be offended by it..
spcieally since its just a show and its not like NY is out to save the world or anything..

but yeah.

amoona,
dont take everything personally. Not everyone is anti-muslim or anything, and its true, this land really does give us many oporutunaties.. PLENTY!

Do you really think that there would be thousands and thousands of people risking their lifes everyday trying to cross that border if really there were no oportunities?
I know about 20-30 ppl who would give anything to be in your place!
to be taken in even as a refugee to get away from the situation their in..
I see that in on top of your avatar it says "mac artist"
do you think you would have the same job in your country?

u have the job that "lots of girls would kill for"

I know your feeling attacked but truly your not.
you have crossed the line from putting the president down, ( who i dont personallly like or agree with) to putting the country as a whole down.

and just cus I dont agree with bush doesnt mean I dont love my country.. i have dual citizenship and i love mexico as much as I love USA and while u can put the presidents down.. dont put the country down.
because just how u feel offended that they put your beliefs down, your doing the same thing to us, just a bit differently

 

[Hawkeye]

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WOW how did it get from ricky martin to this?

I'm not really sure anyone really knows. I've read through this- when I left there was only 2 pages then poof- it exploded.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona And FYI people like you are the reason why I hate living in this country.

This is the type of statement that Hawkeye is referring to hon. You live here, take advantage of numerous opportunities afforded you and you make statements like this.
It's the same as being a guest in my home and having sex with my husband, or being a guest in my father's home and slapping my mother. Disrespectful and probably not going to be met well :/

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona Yes understood but I didn't continue on to bash him like I could have. I didn't think it was a big deal when I typed it considering how many people hate him. So I didn't continue on to bash him with the millions of things I could have. Instead I had to defend my religion because people felt it was ok to bring that up in a negative light since I don't agree with them and I didn't think it was a big deal. They don't need to think that saying offensive comment towards Islam is actually offensive but if they want to continue it then why should they expect me to be sorry that my comment offended anyone when that wasn't the intent of my comment?

Your logic is what I'm not understanding hon.
Because people "hate" him, it's ok?
Really?

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll amoona, dont take everything personally. Not everyone is anti-muslim or anything, and its true, this land really does give us many oporutunaties.. PLENTY! Do you really think that there would be thousands and thousands of people risking their lifes everyday trying to cross that border if really there were no oportunities? I know about 20-30 ppl who would give anything to be in your place! to be taken in even as a refugee to get away from the situation their in.. I see that in on top of your avatar it says "mac artist" do you think you would have the same job in your country? u have the job that "lots of girls would kill for" I know your feeling attacked but truly your not. you have crossed the line from putting the president down, ( who i dont personallly like or agree with) to putting the country as a whole down. and just cus I dont agree with bush doesnt mean I dont love my country.. i have dual citizenship and i love mexico as much as I love USA and while u can put the presidents down.. dont put the country down. because just how u feel offended that they put your beliefs down, your doing the same thing to us, just a bit differently

I only take it personally because this isn't the first time something like this has happened. It's happened multiple times in the past on this forum. I also didn't say this coutnry doesn't give many opportunities ... but for me I can get these same opportunities elsewhere. It maybe right for some but it's not right for me. And yes I could work for MAC in the Middle East. They have multiple locations and hopefully when I graduate and move to Dubai I'll be there running the entire region.

I only put down the fact that it's ok to be anti-Muslim in this country. Then people started jumping on me wanting me to leave the country lol. I have no problem leaving, I plan on it because I don't like living here. I just have to wait until I'm done with school! I'm sure this country is fine for many but it's not for me, I don't like the way my people and my religion is looked at in this country. I don't like the fact that my tax dollars go to support the killing and occupation of my country. I could go on and on ... and I know I don't like living here, I don't plan on being here for the rest of my life.

 

[Trunkmonkey]

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye I'm not really sure anyone really knows. I've read through this- when I left there was only 2 pages then poof- it exploded.

I blame me. I tend to rub people the wrong way a lot.