Ricky Martin flips off president..

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer This is the type of statement that Hawkeye is referring to hon. You live here, take advantage of numerous opportunities afforded you and you make statements like this. It's the same as being a guest in my home and having sex with my husband, or being a guest in my father's home and slapping my mother. Disrespectful and probably not going to be met well :/

Um last time I checked I didn't start an attack on her, she started one with me. She called me out and then went on to say things about how my religion recruits people to become bombs. All offensive stereotypes. Then she goes on thinking that she's making me shake in my boots because she thinks she has power over me.

When you were in Iraq and you had people saying horrible things to you everyday and hating you and not wanting you to be there and telling you to leave the country didn't it make you hate being there?! Why do you think I hate being in this country?!

I didn't say I hate this country and everyone in it and I want horrible things to happen to this country. I just hate living here, it's not for me. Being a Muslim and an Arab who is very proud of those two identities, this is not the place for me to be. Like I said to her before, if anyone wants me to leave America before I'm done with school just pay my flight, housing, and tuition overseas and I'm out of here.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer This is the type of statement that Hawkeye is referring to hon. You live here, take advantage of numerous opportunities afforded you and you make statements like this. It's the same as being a guest in my home and having sex with my husband, or being a guest in my father's home and slapping my mother. Disrespectful and probably not going to be met well :/

She lives here because she's an American Citizen, who was born here.

She's not a guest. She's also not a refugee. This also means she has the right to criticize the Govt, political figures, political stances, etc. As well as take advantage of all the benefits of being a citizen of the United States of America.

Thats one thing that is great about our country. You have the right to criticize the country, it's leaders, etc. Without fear of reprisal by the government because of your opinion.

She may not be patriotic, but as an American, she doesn't have to be.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Your logic is what I'm not understanding hon. Because people "hate" him, it's ok? Really?

WOW ok so seriously I said I didn't think it was a big deal when I said it. I've said that a million times already. I still don't think it's a big deal! You always think that I'm trying to get you to view the same beliefs I view but you're trying to do that to me. You want me to think it is a big deal to flip off Bush. I don't think it is, which is why I said what I said.

 

[amoona]

Raerae - I actually am a refugee. I may not have been seeking asylum in this country because I was born here but under what has been promised to Palestinians by the UN I am considered a refugee. A Palestinian who can not return to their home because of Israeli occupation is considered a Palestinian refugee. My grandparent's village was burnt to the groun in 1948 and no longer exists and we have been promised the right of return by the UN even though it hasn't been given. My parents both lived in Palestinian refugee camps, where my family still resides.

So no I'm not considered a refugee who came here looking for asylum but I am considered a Palestinian refugee by the United Nations.

 

[Viva_la_MAC_Girl]

Can I just say... that Ricky Martin brings out the "best" in people...LOL.... ( sorry I had to )

 

[Trunkmonkey]

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Originally Posted by Viva_la_MAC_Girl Can I just say... that Ricky Martin brings out the "best" in people...LOL.... ( sorry I had to )

*spits icewater out nose

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by Raerae She lives here because she's an American Citizen, who was born here. She's not a guest. She's also not a refugee. This also means she has the right to criticize the Govt, political figures, political stances, etc. As well as take advantage of all the benefits of being a citizen of the United States of America. Thats one thing that is great about our country. You have the right to criticize the country, it's leaders, etc. Without fear of reprisal by the government because of your opinion. She may not be patriotic, but as an American, she doesn't have to be.

In theory, I completely agree with you. But what about when you factor in the idea of someone who doesn't consider themselves an American despite being born here? Does that change the tone or intent of the criticism?

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae She lives here because she's an American Citizen, who was born here. She's not a guest. She's also not a refugee. This also means she has the right to criticize the Govt, political figures, political stances, etc. As well as take advantage of all the benefits of being a citizen of the United States of America. Thats one thing that is great about our country. You have the right to criticize the country, it's leaders, etc. Without fear of reprisal by the government because of your opinion. She may not be patriotic, but as an American, she doesn't have to be.

Amoona says she's a refugee, did I misunderstand something?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona Raerae - I actually am a refugee. I may not have been seeking asylum in this country because I was born here but under what has been promised to Palestinians by the UN I am considered a refugee. A Palestinian who can not return to their home because of Israeli occupation is considered a Palestinian refugee. My grandparent's village was burnt to the groun in 1948 and no longer exists and we have been promised the right of return by the UN even though it hasn't been given. My parents both lived in Palestinian refugee camps, where my family still resides. So no I'm not considered a refugee who came here looking for asylum but I am considered a Palestinian refugee by the United Nations.

How are you a Palestinian. You were not born in Palestine. You've never had Palestinian Citizenship. You might choose to identify as a, "Palestinian American" but other than a personal belief, all your legal documentation shows that your an American. Even Palestine doesn't allow you to reside in Palestine other than on a temporary basis, because your not a citizen of Palestine.

Your Parents are refugees, you, are an American.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Amoona says she's a refugee, did I misunderstand something?

Yes. You can search up a few posts, she explains she was born in the United States.

 

[Trunkmonkey]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer It's the same as being a guest in my home and having sex with my husband,

what if I asked really nice and gave you sad kitty eyes?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona I also only live in California by force, not by choice. I'm a third generation Palestinian refugee and because my parents came here for school and had me here I am not able to get Palestinian citizenship thanks to Israel. Therefore I can not return to my country and live there, I'm only allowed temporary visits. Now I'm only waiting to finish school and I'll be on the first plane back to the Middle East ... and if you want to ask why I go to school here instead of in the Middle East ... I can't afford to pay a $30k a year tuition and being an American citizen I don't get the financial aid that I would if I was a citizen of an Arab country.

Basically her parents came to the USA and had a baby, just like thousands of other people around the world trying to give their families a better opportunity.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae How are you a Palestinian. You were not born in Palestine. You've never had Palestinian Citizenship. You might choose to identify as a, "Palestinian American" but other than a personal belief, all your legal documentation shows that your an American. Even Palestine doesn't allow you to reside in Palestine other than on a temporary basis, because your not a citizen of Palestine. Your Parents are refugees, you, are an American.

Actually it's not Palestinians who don't allow me to live in Palestine, it's Israel. I'm not allowed me get a Palestinian citizenship because Israel wont allow me to get a citizenship.

I am Palestinian because that's my heritage. With your thinking then everyone born in this country is only American and that's it. I'm only American by citizenship.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Basically her parents came to the USA and had a baby, just like thousands of other people around the world trying to give their families a better opportunity.

Actually that's not what happened, they weren't tryin to have me here. They were trying to go back home to have me but I came out too earlier. They wanted to move back as soon as my mom finished school. My dad already moved back and my mom is only waiting for my brother to turn 18. They hate that they couldn't raise us back home.

 

[glamdoll]

I dont get that stuff..
Im born an American, but my parents are mexicans. I have dual citizenship which at first was illegal in the US to have a mexican citizenship, u had one or the other..
my history teacher ALWAYS told me that and it really bugged me..

I always told him "Im mexican and proud"
and he would ask me. "where were u born"
"in america." he would say "there for ur an american"

like they said in selena the movie
"ur never mexican enough for the mexicans,
and ur never american enough for the americans"
its hard to have dual..

but she has a point Amoona
just for the fact that u dont like
american doesnt mean ur arent one..

I wasnt born in mexico so i guess im not a mexican
my heritage is.. but not my nationality
wether I like it or not..

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Yes. You can search up a few posts, she explains she was born in the United States.

ahhhhh.
Thank you.

 

[amoona]

I said I'm American by citizenship ... I'm Palestinian my by heritage. When I go back home I'm look as Arab. If some people don't see it that way then they can apply that to their lives. I don't apply that to myself or really anyone. If you're parents are Mexican you're Mexican and you should be proud of that. Yes you're also American but that doesn't delete your Mexican heritage or the fact that you are Mexican.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona Actually that's not what happened, they weren't tryin to have me here. They were trying to go back home to have me but I came out too earlier. They wanted to move back as soon as my mom finished school. My dad already moved back and my mom is only waiting for my brother to turn 18. They hate that they couldn't raise us back home.

Venture forth into the world. You haven't any c hildren, correct? It's just you?
Venture forth. The grass is always greener, and, if you DO perchance find somewhere you like better, then

that's fantastic. Go with it.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona I am Palestinian because that's my heritage. With your thinking then everyone born in this country is only American and that's it. I'm only American by citizenship.

Actually, thats a HUGE personal pet-peeve of mine.

I can't stand it when people hyphenate their nationality. I'm X-American, I'm Y-American, I'm Z-American. No your not. Your an American.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Actually, thats a HUGE personal pet-peeve of mine. I can't stand it when people hyphenate their nationality. I'm X-American, I'm Y-American, I'm Z-American. No your not. Your an American.

Well then you can label yourself as such, I label myself as Palestinian and Arab and am very proud of that. That is not something I would ever deny.