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[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona Well then you can label yourself as such, I label myself as Palestinian and Arab and am very proud of that. That is not something I would ever deny.

Not s aying you should, but as has been pointed out, you're not technically a refugee. Sure, if you push it on UN paperwork (and why not, I'm sure that grants you several amenities you wouldn't get normally...) you are, but you're an American, born and bred. You have Palestinian heritage, to be sure, but you're a Californian.
As an American, there's *nothing* to preclude you from going elsewhere and seeking your fortunes, except the inhibitions and prohibitions you put on yourself.
You're grown. You can move to Canada if you want.
You can move to Mexico, or France, or Spain, or anywhere else. Mom and Dad won't like it? Ok. So? You're grown.

 

[glamdoll]

Yeah I know it doesnt deleted it..
its just so hard not to offend either one..
specially w the whole immigration issue.

UGH

I use to support so much that ppl came here and did jobs others wouldnt do.. yeah like pick strawberrys as everyone likes to stereotype.. but their labor makes our fruits and other stuff cheaper. If we had ppl pickin strawberrys for 6.75 an hour n benefits.. that would make it like at least 6bucks a pound..
BUT
all of that is over shadowed by all the gang violence in LA an every where else.
last year my senior year 3 of my classmates were murdered.
by gangsters.. who were all hispanic..
my school and the neighborhood i use to live in is now the ghetto..
rent went down.. police visits went up.. its bad

the point is.. its hard to be 2 different type of nationality

because i know ur a proud palestenian as i can see..
u should also be proud to be an american.
because if not for america,
ur parents might not be alive today
specially how u said that theyr land got burnt to the ground
its obvious that ur country didnt have the resources enough
to keep its ppl safe and its understandable

but also dont bite the hand of the country who has kept u and ur family safe.

I know that if not for this country wed be somewhere in mexico workin super hard jobs for 50 pesos a day..
which is 5 bucks a day..

wen i visit acapulco and i tell my cousins that minimum here in cali
is 6.75 ( 67 pesos ) and hour.. their JAWS dropped!
the only way to make good and easy money is the dishonest way
which is why 1 of my uncles is dead

its good to keep ur heritage in ur heart..
but dont be ungrateful to the country who has given u so much

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Not s aying you should, but as has been pointed out, you're not technically a refugee. Sure, if you push it on UN paperwork (and why not, I'm sure that grants you several amenities you wouldn't get normally...) you are, but you're an American, born and bred. You have Palestinian heritage, to be sure, but you're a Californian. As an American, there's *nothing* to preclude you from going elsewhere and seeking your fortunes, except the inhibitions and prohibitions you put on yourself. You're grown. You can move to Canada if you want. You can move to Mexico, or France, or Spain, or anywhere else. Mom and Dad won't like it? Ok. So? You're grown.

Actually technically I am a refugee stated by numerous UN Resolutions. And I don't have any amenities as a Palestinian refugee, we were promised our land back and have yet to recieve it so if you want to count that as an amenity that's the only one we got.

Like I said, I understand many of you want me out of this country as you keep telling me I can leave but are you going to pay for it?! I'm leaving after college, if you guys can't wait until then then fork up the cash to send me out of here.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona If you're parents are Mexican you're Mexican and you should be proud of that. Yes you're also American but that doesn't delete your Mexican heritage or the fact that you are Mexican.

Riiiiiight. Guess that makes me Polish too then. Hardly.

Yes I have relatives somewhere in Poland (that I've never met, nor care to meet). Yes I have a traditional Polish last name. Yes I know how to cook traditional Polish cuisine, and have celebrated Chatholic religious holidays with a Polish twist. Am I Polish? No.

I'm American.

I have no need to work at maintaining a heritage I know little about, when I have an American heritage I am proud of. There comes a point where you stop being a X-American, and just become an American. I'm not ashamed of my heritage, it just doesn't have much value in my current place in life, or my future.

 

[Shimmer]

No. We don't want you out of the country. What *I* would like to see is the ungrateful, self entitled, victim attitude left behind.
You've never done with out. You've lived in the USofA, the world's foremost superpower, ALL OF YOUR LIFE. You are a citizen of the United States of America by birth, and while your parents are refugees, you yourself are for lack of a better phrase riding on the coattails of their refugee status. I'm sorry, I realize that's pretty harsh to say, but good grief.
We don't owe you anything.
We aren't holding you back.
We aren't stopping you.
You've stated you want to leave, honey the door is open. Peace out. I guarantee you there are many other people who've started out with far less than you've got under inarguably less favorable circumstances.
You think we want you to leave?
No.
We want you to stop pulling the "OMG HE's PICKING ON ME BECAUSE I'M MUSLIM" card.
We want you to stop suckling the teat of opportunity provided to you by American society while at the same time biting and screaming about how badly you hate it.

You think you hate living here?
The grass is greener hon.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll because i know ur a proud palestenian as i can see.. u should also be proud to be an american. because if not for america, ur parents might not be alive today specially how u said that theyr land got burnt to the ground its obvious that ur country didnt have the resources enough to keep its ppl safe and its understandable but also dont bite the hand of the country who has kept u and ur family safe.

Um this country hasn't kept my parents alive or anything. I'm not ungreatful but I also don't over do it with giving credit when it doesn't need to be given. My parent's village was burnt in 1948 by Israel. This country supports Israel and my tax dollars goes to helping Israel. That's an entire different issue that doesn't need to be dealt with right now.

My father already left here and he's safe. They can't touch you when you live in the camps because it's under UN watch ... although Israel does come in from time to time they usually get you when you're outside of the camps.

I'm not biting the hand that kept my family safe. I'm not going to praise this country and wear an American flag and talk about how great it is considering all the things this government has done to my country and to other Arab countries. I don't HAVE to be proud to be an American citizen. The only reason I have this citizenship is because I came out a few weeks early! The only part of this country I like is San Francisco because people here don't jump on you for being Muslim or for hating Bush or for saying you're Palestinian and not American.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona Um this country hasn't kept my parents alive or anything. I'm not ungreatful but I also don't over do it with giving credit when it doesn't need to be given. My parent's village was burnt in 1948 by Israel. This country supports Israel and my tax dollars goes to helping Israel. That's an entire different issue that doesn't need to be dealt with right now. My father already left here and he's safe. They can't touch you when you live in the camps because it's under UN watch ... although Israel does come in from time to time they usually get you when you're outside of the camps. I'm not biting the hand that kept my family safe. I'm not going to praise this country and wear an American flag and talk about how great it is considering all the things this government has done to my country and to other Arab countries. I don't HAVE to be proud to be an American citizen. The only reason I have this citizenship is because I came out a few weeks early! The only part of this country I like is San Francisco because people here don't jump on you for being Muslim or for hating Bush or for saying you're Palestinian and not American.

And, had your parents gone elsewhere, what then?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona Actually technically I am a refugee stated by numerous UN Resolutions. And I don't have any amenities as a Palestinian refugee, we were promised our land back and have yet to recieve it so if you want to count that as an amenity that's the only one we got. Like I said, I understand many of you want me out of this country as you keep telling me I can leave but are you going to pay for it?! I'm leaving after college, if you guys can't wait until then then fork up the cash to send me out of here.

So whats stoping you from moving back to a different part of Palestine. If your parents truly do have Palestinia Citizenship, i dont see how thats a problem.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer No. We don't want you out of the country. What *I* would like to see is the ungrateful, self entitled, victim attitude left behind. You've never done with out. You've lived in the USofA, the world's foremost superpower, ALL OF YOUR LIFE. You are a citizen of the United States of America by birth, and while your parents are refugees, you yourself are for lack of a better phrase riding on the coattails of their refugee status. I'm sorry, I realize that's pretty harsh to say, but good grief. We don't owe you anything. We aren't holding you back. We aren't stopping you. You've stated you want to leave, honey the door is open. Peace out. I guarantee you there are many other people who've started out with far less than you've got under inarguably less favorable circumstances. You think we want you to leave? No. We want you to stop pulling the "OMG HE's PICKING ON ME BECAUSE I'M MUSLIM" card. We want you to stop suckling the teat of opportunity provided to you by American society while at the same time biting and screaming about how badly you hate it. You think you hate living here? The grass is greener hon.

Actually I haven't lived here all my life I grew up in Kuwait but we were kicked out as most Palestinians were when the war with Saddam was over. And I don't know how much clearer it has to be made to you, UNDER THE UNITED NATIONS I'M CONSIDERED A REFUGEE!!! I'm not riding any coat tail. Do you think it's glamourious to be a refugee? It's what I am classified as under the United Nations Resolution. It is what every Palestinian is classified, whether they're living in Palestine or not. It is what promises the right of return to our land that Israel is denying.

I never said this country owes me anything and I don't know how much clearer to make it to you. I'm planning on leaving this country as soon as I'm done with school. You're so obsessed with me leaving you might as well pay for the tuition for me to just finish school back home.

I'll stop pulling out that card when people stop targetting me for being Muslim. And yes for me the grass is greener on the other side, I've been to the other side and I love it. I don't understand why you guys get so mad that I don't like living here. You think I'm the only one? Yes there are plenty of people coming here but there are also plenty of people who leave, including born and bred Americans. It's just not for everyone, get over it.

 

[amoona]

Shimmer - if my parents went elsewhere then idk?! it didn't happen.

Raerae - I would consider you Polish but if you don't want to represent that heritage then that's fine. If you want to be see as an American and only that then fine. What is stopping me from returning to Palestine is that I don't have a Palestinian identity card/citizenship. Israel will not allow me to live there without it.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona Actually I haven't lived here all my life I grew up in Kuwait but we were kicked out as most Palestinians were when the war with Saddam was over. And I don't know how much clearer it has to be made to you, UNDER THE UNITED NATIONS I'M CONSIDERED A REFUGEE!!! I'm not riding any coat tail. Do you think it's glamourious to be a refugee? It's what I am classified as under the United Nations Resolution. It is what every Palestinian is classified, whether they're living in Palestine or not. It is what promises the right of return to our land that Israel is denying. I never said this country owes me anything and I don't know how much clearer to make it to you. I'm planning on leaving this country as soon as I'm done with school. You're so obsessed with me leaving you might as well pay for the tuition for me to just finish school back home. I'll stop pulling out that card when people stop targetting me for being Muslim. And yes for me the grass is greener on the other side, I've been to the other side and I love it. I don't understand why you guys get so mad that I don't like living here. You think I'm the only one? Yes there are plenty of people coming here but there are also plenty of people who leave, including born and bred Americans. It's just not for everyone, get over it.

Like I said, then go. Finish your education elsewhere. There's nothing stopping you if you hate it so badly.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona Shimmer - if my parents went elsewhere then idk?! it didn't happen.

You're right, they didn't, because they recognized the opportunity available here in this country.

 

[amoona]

And like I said are you going to pay for my education there?! It's about $30k a year and I'd probably have to start over because most of my credits wont transfer. If you don't wat to pay for it then hush up about it already.

 

[Shimmer]

That's not really my problem is it? You're an adult. Figure it out. There's nothing stopping you.
Lots of people have started out and become very successful with a WHOLE lot less than what you've got.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer You're right, they didn't, because they recognized the opportunity available here in this country.

lol ok so you realize my parents hate this country which is why one left and the other one is getting ready to. MY MOM GOT A SOCCER SCHOLARSHIP TO SAN FRANCISCO STATE UNIVERSITY. SHE CAME TO PLAY SOCCER AND THEN LEAVE BUT SHE HAD ME.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer That's not really my problem is it?

No it's not, but you're so involved in it and you're so interested in it. It's my problem that's why I have to be stuck living here until I'm done. I'm dealing with it, you deal with it too.

 

[glamdoll]

well just so u know since u mention the united nations alot
and the fact that they are keepin your father safe in their camp.

The U.N was started and funded by the USA yes
OUR tax dollars also go to helping keep your father and your
people safe. and no I do not mean to attack you or make u feel offended at all..
but u make it seem like ur the only whos tax money goes to that..
MY tax dollars go to payin the boarder patrol.. but am I saying anything? no.

and to Raerae.. its not as easy as it sounds to be just american.
wen u fill out exams for school.. it gives u options

-asian
-pacific islander
-hispanic
-white

and so on and so forth..
I dont see the "american" option anywhere in there.
I consider myself a Mexican American and its not a label
its what I am.

wen I workd at a theater and a guest had to give me a compliment
he went to the manager and said "oh that one cute lil mexican girl"
he didnt say that one american..
and wen a crime is comited and u give a report.. u dont say
"he looked american to me"
usually its the white male,, black male or hispanic or whatever he looked like..
I wish it was that easy but its not..

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona lol ok so you realize my parents hate this country which is why one left and the other one is getting ready to. MY MOM GOT A SOCCER SCHOLARSHIP TO SAN FRANCISCO STATE UNIVERSITY. SHE CAME TO PLAY SOCCER AND THEN LEAVE BUT SHE HAD ME.

That's awesome. Very parasitic.
There's an airport in San Francisco. There ya go.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona No it's not, but you're so involved in it and you're so interested in it. It's my problem that's why I have to be stuck living here until I'm done. I'm dealing with it, you deal with it too.

Figure. It. Out.

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Yes I know how to cook traditional Polish cuisine,

sausage.lol.