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[Shimmer]

Whereas most refugees are the concern of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), most Palestinian refugees - those in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan - come under the older body UNRWA. On 11 December 1948, UN Resolution 194 was passed in order to protect the rights of Palestinian Arab refugees. Resolution 302 (IV) of 8 December 1949, set up UNRWA specifically to deal with the Palestinian problem. Palestinian refugees outside of UNRWA's area of operations do fall under UNHCR's mandate, however.

The term Palestinian refugee as used by UNRWA was never formally defined by the United Nations. The definition used in practice evolved independently of the UNHCR definition, which was established by the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees. UNRWA definition of refugee is as a person "whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict,"[9] though it is applied only to those who took refuge in one of the countries where UNRWA provides relief.
The UNRWA also registers as refugees descendants in the male line of Palestinian refugees, and persons in need of support who first became refugees as a result of the 1967 conflict. The UNRWA definition in practice is thus both more restrictive and more inclusive than the 1951 definition; for example it excludes persons taking refuge in countries other than Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, yet it includes descendants of refugees as well as the refugees themselves (though UNHCR also provides support for children of refugees in many cases).

 

[amoona]

Shimmer get over it seriously lol. I did figure it out, you're more obsessed with it then I am. Nobody is asking you to figure it out or to deal with it for me. I'm dealing with it thanks for your concern lol.

 

[glamdoll]

so if getting an education somewhere else would cost more..
are u receiving a scholarship?
then wouldnt u have the US to thank for the oportunity to be educated?
or to at least thank them for havin many resources and options so that an education isnt as expensive?

just a few thoughts

 

[Shimmer]

Amoona, seriously, if you're dealing with it, if you're handling it, you wouldn't be sitting here saying that you're persecuted for who you are and what you believe.
You were born on equal ground just like I was.
You can choose to do with your life as you please.
But for the love of GOD...stop pissing and moaning because the US is this horrible place because I can assure you, women of Muslim faith elsewhere in the world have it much worse than you can ever dream.

 

[hyperRealGurl]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll wen I workd at a theater and a guest had to give me a compliment he went to the manager and said "oh that one cute lil mexican girl" he didnt say that one american.. and wen a crime is comited and u give a report.. u dont say "he looked american to me" usually its the white male,, black male or hispanic or whatever he looked like.. I wish it was that easy but its not..

Ha i can def relate to this comment..... reminds me of the time i was at Target and this lady came up to me and says " excuse me do you speak english?" my reaction is prob a lil off ... as to when she asked that i started laughing at her.. saying yes i speak english, some spanish, some korean, ebonics, kuntry slang which one do u prefer to hear.. lol okay way off topic but yea thanks for bringing that up brought back a funny moment in my life

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll well just so u know since u mention the united nations alot and the fact that they are keepin your father safe in their camp. The U.N was started and funded by the USA yes OUR tax dollars also go to helping keep your father and your people safe. and no I do not mean to attack you or make u feel offended at all.. but u make it seem like ur the only whos tax money goes to that.. MY tax dollars go to payin the boarder patrol.. but am I saying anything? no.

It's your choice to say anything about it or not, I do say something about it. And you should really visit a refugee camp before you think your tax dollars are doing any help.

 

[glamdoll]

Im not takin anyones side.. but

shimmer brought up an excellent point.
You said that the UN Resolutions consider u a refugee..
but she just proved that it may not be true..

shes not obsessing .. she is proving the point that at any given time
and if u choose to you can go to ur country because ur not a refugee

shes trying to prove her point in her own way..

just as u are in ur own way

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll so if getting an education somewhere else would cost more.. are u receiving a scholarship? then wouldnt u have the US to thank for the oportunity to be educated? or to at least thank them for havin many resources and options so that an education isnt as expensive? just a few thoughts

No I'm not receiving scholarships or financial aid of any sort. Everyone's assuming I'm ungreatful because I don't like how my people have recently started to be treated in this country. That's an assumption everyone has made. Yes I hate living here because of how we are treated and THAT'S WHY I HATE LIVING HERE!

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona Shimmer - if my parents went elsewhere then idk?! it didn't happen. Raerae - I would consider you Polish but if you don't want to represent that heritage then that's fine. If you want to be see as an American and only that then fine. What is stopping me from returning to Palestine is that I don't have a Palestinian identity card/citizenship. Israel will not allow me to live there without it.

Last time I checked, Hamas was in control of the govt. Since you, "voted" for them, why dont you ask them for a ID card.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona No I'm not receiving scholarships or financial aid of any sort. Everyone's assuming I'm ungreatful because I don't like how my people have recently started to be treated in this country. That's an assumption everyone has made. Yes I hate living here because of how we are treated and THAT'S WHY I HATE LIVING HERE!

Maybe you get treated the way you do for the things you say and the manner in which you behave? Just asking.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer UNRWA definition of refugee is as a person "whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict,"[9] though it is applied only to those who took refuge in one of the countries where UNRWA provides relief. The UNRWA also registers as refugees descendants in the male line of Palestinian refugees, and persons in need of support who first became refugees as a result of the 1967 conflict. The UNRWA definition in practice is thus both more restrictive and more inclusive than the 1951 definition; for example it excludes persons taking refuge in countries other than Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, yet it includes descendants of refugees as well as the refugees themselves (though UNHCR also provides support for children of refugees in many cases).

How does this not include me?! I'm a descendant of a male line of Palestinian refugees. My grandparents lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Nakbah. My mother's parents became refugees as a result of the 1967 war. My parents both took refuge in the West Bank and I'm their descendant.

 

[glamdoll]

Well excuse me if my tax dollars that I bust my ass for are not helping.. then I would gladly like them BACK!
I have a family and I know many ppl and organizations that would gladly take them..

even if it was just a damn dollar or two..

just the fact that those camps exist should be enough that we get at least a thanks.. and its not that I chose not to say anything

if I say something.. will it help?
will it change the situation? what position will it put me in?
and my family?

I dont have my mind closed just to MY own world..
and I know that even thou u say that its not helping
I know the people LIVING in those camps are thankful that
they are there..

keeping them at least a bit better..

what do u want from the US?
a freakin holiday inn?

its impossible to help every country and every cause..

kids in cambodia would gladly have my tax dollars which like u said are not helping ur refugeess it would help them..

have u lived in those camps?
do u truly know what its like to be in there place?
wehere they lived before and why they are there?

if not
dont speak for them..

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Last time I checked, Hamas was in control of the govt. Since you, "voted" for them, why dont you ask them for a ID card.

They can't give me it, only Israel can because Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza. That's why it's called the Occupied Territories. We're occupied by Israel and they have control over us. That's way most Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza have never left those locations. Israel wont let you.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Maybe you get treated the way you do for the things you say and the manner in which you behave? Just asking.

I act in this manner when I'm being attacked for being Muslim. You're the only person I've encountered that feels the need to bring up me being Muslim anytime I speak. You're the only person I've encountered who likes to bring it up in a negative light.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona How does this not include me?! I'm a descendant of a male line of Palestinian refugees. My grandparents lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Nakbah. My mother's parents became refugees as a result of the 1967 war. My parents both took refuge in the West Bank and I'm their descendant.

"excludes persons taking refuge in countries other than Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip"

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll Well excuse me if my tax dollars that I bust my ass for are not helping.. then I would gladly like them BACK! I have a family and I know many ppl and organizations that would gladly take them..

You'd have to speak to your government about that one.

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even if it was just a damn dollar or two.. just the fact that those camps exist should be enough that we get at least a thanks.. and its not that I chose not to say anything if I say something.. will it help? will it change the situation? what position will it put me in? and my family? I dont have my mind closed just to MY own world.. and I know that even thou u say that its not helping I know the people LIVING in those camps are thankful that they are there.. have u lived in those camps? do u truly know what its like to be in there place? wehere they lived before and why they are there? if not dont speak for them..

If you think those camps existing is better then having our land returned to us you're wrong. And yes I have lived in those camps, I have to live in those camps when I go back home to visit. I don't talk out my ass, I speak from first hand experience.

 

[Raerae]

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Raerae - I would consider you Polish but if you don't want to represent that heritage then that's fine. If you want to be see as an American and only that then fine.

How many generations pass b4 you stop being a X-American.

And technically, I'm only 1/2 polish. Both of my parents dont have Heritage from Poland.

I can claim to be Cherokee Indian if I wanted, if, "where you parents are from" determines your heritage. I can trace that bloodline back to Indian Reservations.

I'm Indian! Feathers, not Dots!

Unfortunateley it's not a large enough % to have qualified me for any sort of College discount.

So yes, while the largest portion of my bloodline is Polish. I'm not polish. There are too many %'s in my bloodline for me to personally try to identify with some culture I know little to nothing about. Which is why I'm an American.

America is a country of %'s. Since my bloodline is as mixed as the country that I live in, I'm an AMERICAN. More specifically a Californian! STATE PRIDE BABY! lol!

You should be proud to be a Californian too!

 

[glamdoll]

you said it.. treated recently..

do u know how weve been treated our whole lifes?
do u know the history of mexico and the us?

do u know of the war that took place and robbed us of 8 of our states?

do u freakin know what its like to be a freakin immigrant in our own freakin land??

do u even know what thats like?

dont get me started..

I wasnt takin any sides but your makin it seem like your
"people" are the only ones like that and they are not.

what about african americans who were slaves for hundreds of years..

please shimmer is right ur using that victim card too much

and just to let u know

my family is part arab..
they migrated to mexico a long long time ago and now were mexicans
so please dont try to tell me what its like

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona I act in this manner when I'm being attacked for being Muslim. You're the only person I've encountered that feels the need to bring up me being Muslim anytime I speak. You're the only person I've encountered who likes to bring it up in a negative light.

I, someone whom you have never met, someone who has never perpetrated an act of violence or enmity against you, have the power to make you want to leave one of the greatest nations on the planet?

Wow.

 

[amoona]

Yes, excludes people taking refugees in countries OTHER that those listed above. My parents took refugee in the West Bank and I'm their descendant. If I'm not a refugee I don't understand why every other Arab country classifies me as such.