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Originally Posted by quandolak
Well then thats your loss if it is seriously that difficult for you to see that its petty of you. I know many people who have gone on marches throught london and sydney where thousands of muslims atyended to denouce all this.. But christians arent made to denounce their fruitloops. We have to constanlty explain and say sorry for things we have not done...and if the meida decided to have a field day with the undesirable members of the chrisitan faith and you were made to explain that these people are only a minority..Maybe then you could just for one moment stop living in your fantasy land and maybe you would get that its extemely sad and petty of you to have this need to say these things.
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WHAT? Christians ARE made to denounce their fruit loops. Pat Robertson? Jerry Falwell? Ring any bells? And yes, ANY faith that constantly (and I will unapologetically use the word constantly here) has people proclaiming that XXXXXXX act of violence was in XXXXXXX's name for XXXXXXX reason SHOULD have to apologise, and explain itself, Christianity INCLUDED.
The media did NOT decide to have a field day with those riots, the acts themselves were proof enough of the intentions of the people behind it. The death threats received by the editors of the mags and papers who published them were proof enough.
When the acts are en masse, yes, explanation is owed to the rest of the world, if for no other reason than to say, "I don't condone what they are doing."
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Originally Posted by quandolak
So you can say WORLD in capital letters but that doesnt change the fact that the media only shows those protests that fit with the views of the rather uneducated masses. It never showed the thousand who had to go out and defend themslevs from these childish views that they are violent..thousands in london went to show that muslims are not advocating violence..all this so that people like you can stop whittering on about us being violent. the majority arent violent but you can only bring yourself to belive that that is so...do you seriousloy think the media would dare show the real views of the majority of muslims...im sure they wouldnt...it might upset those nitpickers as who would them then falsley accuse.
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Those thousands WERE reported on! And I don't believe the entire Islam religion is based on violence, however, perhaps the leaders of the peaceful sects of Islam could do a bit better job seperating themselves from the violent sects, and could be more vocal in uniting the Islamic faith into peace instead of violence? Would that not be a good solution to the world perception?
And, you're verging here on the cusp of personal attack. I have not personally attacked you yet, I'll ask you to refrain from doing so to me.
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Originally Posted by quandolak
I serioulsy feel physically sick at the way so many people rationalise this behaviour..so much so that they can actually convonce themslevs that they are not neglecting actual reality.
And also if the 99% of peacful muslims in the world did their peacful protests and lived good honesty lives. You would still find that one percent and blow it out of proportion. And still insist that we are violent or that we advocate it.
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I have to ask you why you feel the need to victimize yourself and your religion. All you've said thus far is how mean the world is to Muslims and how NO ONE understands them and nobody gives them a chance etc.
Why the need for victimization? Reality is not being neglected, and quite frequently I have stated that a) not all Muslims are violent terrorists, b) Christianity is NOT perfect, c) Catholicism is NOT perfect, d) ALL religions have had atrocities committed in their names, e) I don't condone violence on ANYONE'S behalf and f) there is NO perfect religion. I have stated and restated these points numerous times, and you've continually ignored them, instead choosing to construe my postings as ignoring your points, and attacking my person (that's in the next section of your post, btw) and my beliefs. Repeatedly, you have denied answering questions I have asked, while maintaining that I refuse to see anything you are saying, which, if you were to reread my postings it would be evident that I am taking into account what you are saying and at times agreeing with it.
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Originally Posted by quandolak
Yet if i dared say that all chrisitans were baby rapists i would get long lectures. But i suppose people always find *reason* for their *allegations*.
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Indeed you would not, from me at least. I would have to raise an eyebrow, and then point out that EVERY faith has people who are flawed...up to and including Christianity, and that due to the people with flaws making more noise (we'll call them squeaky wheels) perceptions can sometimes be skewed.
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Originally Posted by quandolak
I feel sorry for your desperate attempts to keep your head in the sand..but i am going to end this conversation now for good..and ill let you ramble on to your hearts content with innacurate and childish accusations...all of wich are of course proven as *fact* based on you minds editing skills.
Good luck...allah hafiz...
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I have not made an attempt to keep my head in the sand. In fact, I have tried instead to draw you into rational discussion, and you have failed to do so while ignoring my attempts at rational discussion. Instead you have repeated sought to victimize yourself and your religion, while villifying religions elsewhere in the world.
Inaccurate and childish accusations? Ok, so it's innaccurate to say that in the riots following (because this is the common theme we've been discussing so far) the publication of muhammed cartoons (tasteful or non, irrelevant) more than 130 people were killed and there was widespread and massive property damage? It's inaccurate to say that boycotts and other economic measures led to job losses and missed business opportunities on the scale of millions of Euros? What about "An elected MP from Uttar Pradesh , India's most populous state , Mr Haji Yaqoob Quereshi, Minister for Minority Welfare, announced a bounty of Rs 51 crore ( Nearly $ 22 Million ) + gold as much as the assassin weighed for anyone killing the Danish cartoonists. Cases have been registered in a court in Ghaziabad, a city in Uttar Pradesh, against him because of that bounty."...is that inaccurate also?
Whose head is in the sand here?
On February 7, the parliament of the State of Kano in the Muslim north of the country cancelled a €23 million order for Danish busses and banned the sale of all Danish and Norwegian products. Legislators then burned the flags of both nations before a crowd decrying the blasphemy of the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
From February 14-15 protests have occurred, the largest of which took place in Peshawar where protestors number over 70,000 [8]. Other cities have also experienced great unrest such as Lahore where foreign owned businesses such as Pizza Hut, KFC, and McDonalds have been burned; Islamabad where the embassies of Britain, France, and India were targeted; and Tank, a town 142 miles from Peshawar, where protestors burned down shops selling CDs and DVDs.
On February 17, 2006, Ynetnews.com ran an AP article that claims that an Islamic cleric is offering a monetary reward and a new car for killing cartoonists (implied).
"Mohammed Yousaf Qureshi, prayer leader at the historic Mohabat Khan mosque in the northwestern city of Peshawar, announced the mosque and the Jamia Ashrafia religious school he leads would give a 1.5 million rupee reward and a car for killing the cartoonist of the prophet pictures that appeared first in a Danish newspaper in September.
"Whoever has done this despicable and shameful act, he has challenged the honor of Muslims. Whoever will kill this cursed man, he will get one million dollars from the association of the jewelers' bazaar, one million rupees from Masjid Mohabat Khan and 500,000 rupees and a car from Jamia Ashrafia as a reward," Qureshi said.
"This is a unanimous decision by all imams (prayer leaders) of Islam that whoever insults the prophet deserves to be killed and whoever will take this insulting man to his end, will get this prize," Qureshi said.
At least four protestors were killed in Afghanistan, in Mihtarlam and an US air base in Bagram. One boy was trampled to death in Bossaso, Somalia when the crowd stampeded as police fired in the air to disperse them. On February 5, 2006 one protestor died at the blazing Danish Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon.
Andrea Santoro, a Catholic priest, was killed on Sunday, February 5, 2006 in Trabzon, Turkey. A 16 year-old high school student was arrested two days later carrying a 9mm pistol. The student told police he had been influenced by the cartoons.
On February 17, 2006 11 people died during protests in Libya
On February 18, 2006, sixteen people were killed in northern Nigeria as demonstrators protested the cartoons by storming and burning Christian churches and businesses
This is not the media blowing ANYTHING out of proportion. These things happened.
Now, I ask you again, WHO is giving Muslims/Islam a bad name?
] doesnt mean it says muslims should believe what is written in there God cannot have children, literally or symbolically, He is the divine figure he doesnt need a "child" to spread his word, jesus, Muhammed, Adam, Lut, etc etc are all simply Messengers of Allah
